[Mr H]

Special thanks go to Jon Wadeson for all his help.....

Regards
Mr H

[frames to panes]

I'd feel safer using the SL-X this way if it could be done (far stronger) because the sections could be locked in place with the clamps too. Looks good, but surely the top pole sections would be too narrow to allow debris to pass through?

[poleman]

Think this a good idea, only problem a can see, is the dimensions of the hose and pole are to small, I would use rain gutter from B&Q and a vac hose at 51mm which if you look on omnipoles website your see that they have this because they had a lot of complains of not being able to do the job

Andy 

[Alex Gardiner]

The Super-Lite sections he is using are the larger base sections which are about 48mm diameter. I presume from the pictures that he is using 51mm vacuum hose as it is fitting over the top of a base section.

[[GQC] Tim]

Fantastic, that really makes this forum so nice, good ideas. Alex, are you sure you are not planning a gutter vac yourself? The only reason I can think of why you would have to those vacs on your website is for that purpose? C'mon spill the beans!

[Jon-scwindows]

thats a good isea, cant really afford one of those poles though!
there arent many of these guitter systems in the market, look at this one,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GUTTER-CLEANING-MACHINE-30FT-HIGH-REACH-VACUUM-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ300202377218QQihZ020QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 i dont know where he got it from but looks more like a diy thing to me, have you thought of making up a system alex? as your the allpowerful supplier, were just the pawns

[poleman]

This chap is using a power pole 

http://www.hydrovacpowerclean.co.uk/

Andy

[Alex Gardiner]

Fantastic, that really makes this forum so nice, good ideas. Alex, are you sure you are not planning a gutter vac yourself? The only reason I can think of why you would have to those vacs on your website is for that purpose? C'mon spill the beans!

We have put the Vacuums on the net as we had to do some research for a client who wanted one as a base for a Gutter-Vacuum system, so having done this we though that we might as well start selling them! We have no plans at present to release our own Gutter-Vacuum system and having looked at the above information it would seem very easy using Super-Lite sections and an off the shelf Vacuum to make your own. Having said all of that we have not counted it out. 

[Mr H]

I'd feel safer using the SL-X this way if it could be done (far stronger) because the sections could be locked in place with the clamps too. Looks good, but surely the top pole sections would be too narrow to allow debris to pass through?

As Alex has stated I only used the bottom section of an SL2. I had a 60ft SL2 and only use it aouple of times each month on a contract so straight away I already had enough base sections to do standard houses and mearly bought extra sections to reach higher as they were needed. If you already have a high enough pole then you can jut buy the base sections from Gardiners. I can not say if any other modur poles are up to the same quality and make such a good airtight fit as the SL2 as I haven't been able to try any others.
It was mearly done so that I could have a very lightweight high reach gutter vacuum for less than some of the systems out there. Its also handy to know that your getting the most out of investing in equipment if it can be used for more than 1 job. Especially jobs that other cleaners can not reach. These jobs you can charge an extra premium on and still be cheeper than scaffolding or cherry pickers. Plus for many tall houses cherry pickers can't access many areas. 1 large job I'm quoting for will take about 2 days to do but the guy has snapped my offer up of £1500 because he was quoted £4500 + vat, a week for the job to be done, and the main carpark closed for a day.

Regards
Mr H

[Old_Master]

It is unfortunate that original ideas are pirated and for that reason we spent many thousands of pounds with patent attorneys and specialist organisations to protect our original and unique concept.

I feel I should remind everyone as I have personally done to Alex that
any copy of our system will be theft of our intelectual property and may if necesary result in legal action.

It is a shame that I have to post this but theft of my patents is no different from a bogus window cleaner knocking on your customers doors and collecting money for the work you have done.

[steven ainger]

is it illegal to build a diy version of your guttervac using different vacs and poles just following the original concept, for personal use and not resale.

[Captain Scarlet]

No, why would it be illegal for retail or personal use?

[steven ainger]

I feel I should remind everyone as I have personally done to Alex that
any copy of our system will be theft of our intelectual property and may if necesary result in legal action.
 






because of what glyn has posted

[Captain Scarlet]

Im sorry, I am confused, who are you Steve, are you from Ionic Systems? Luke

[steven ainger]

no, im not a supplier, just wondered what the law was on these situations as im not a lawyer

[Captain Scarlet]

Oh, just realised what you meant!!! sillly me. I should think that for personal use it will be fine, Luke

[Alistair@AWC]

Glyn,

I think you need to sue a nasty American Company called Upkeeper

http://www.upkeeper.com/gutterkeeper.html

Cos they've stolen your idea  :


Unless you've patented the whole concept of a Gutter Vacuum, I think theres little you can do! Because I don't think sourcing a Wet & Dry vacuum and sticking a long hose on the end qualifies as an original idea.

Alistair

[Captain Scarlet]

I though that the gutter vac was the British version of the Upkeeper ( ie thought it had been bough of the American guys )

[Mr H]

ALL the parts I have used are off the shelf from many suppliers. So no-one (not even someone who sells a system by the same name and that does the same job as an Australian company who was doing the same thing back in 1994) can stop you putting those parts together in a certain way and using it.

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http://www.guttervac.com.au/ system
So how is your gutter vac unique in comparison to the Australian one... or the American Upkeeper?

They all just use large vacuums with long poles attached to "U" shaped end pieces.

As for Patent....
Who patented the vacuum cleaner extension pipe ....? Thats all this is. Using an off the shelf piece of modular tubing to reach a distance longer than your regular vacuum cleaner does.

Can you tell me which parts exactly are patented and in what way this DIY unit breaks that patent, so that if I legally needed to I can then adjust the parts accordingly....?

Mr H

[Captain Scarlet]

if you can copyright the gutter vac idea and concept then why hasnt it been done with wfp? Luke