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Time lag?
« on: February 21, 2008, 05:03:43 pm »
When i open my pole hose i get an initial spurt of water then i have to wait for the varistream to kick in - is there a cure, i could finish the window by the time it flows strong again.

Captain Scarlet

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2008, 05:06:27 pm »
unless Im using a pole 30ft plus I get no lag, Luke
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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2008, 05:10:10 pm »
100mtr of microbore even without a pole it's still slow to pick up.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2008, 05:12:30 pm »
100mtr of microbore even without a pole it's still slow to pick up.

Maybe it's the mircobore? Flow problems have been reported before with micro haven't they?

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 05:32:25 pm »
Try it without a Varistream ;D

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 06:33:18 pm »
Sounds like a bit of air in the system or something.

Every day when I first turn it on I get water for 3 seconds, then nothing for 30-40 seconds, before it carries on.

Doesn't do it the rest of the day, unless I've really chucked the van about at lunchtime, then it may do it on the first afternoon window.

I'm used to it now.
I turn the tap on first, then pull the hose out, extend pole etc...by then the water is starting. ;)

Re: Time lag?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 08:20:10 pm »
Chucking the van about- if i get down below half a tank i'm guaranteed an air lock, the pump will run all day unless i disconnect my reel from the DI and bleed it.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 08:26:07 pm »
When i open my pole hose i get an initial spurt of water then i have to wait for the varistream to kick in - is there a cure, i could finish the window by the time it flows strong again.

I get that - about a five/ten second drop in pressure - I just use the initial spurt to scrub a pane while the vari kicks in. (80m microbore here.)
It's a game of three halves!

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 08:27:52 pm »
I also find that when I've got a fairly full tank the pressure switch cuts in, and the pump keeps switching on and off, unless I blast the water out.

Yet after an hour or so when there's less in there I can turn the flow right down and the pump keeps going. ???

WFP systems, don't you love 'em! ;D

craig21t

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 08:35:49 pm »
how high have you got the pumps situated guys?, also how much pipework between the tank outlet and the pump? most pumps are not self priming so if the pipework is  long and or the pump is high up, this will cause you problems. you want the pump as close the the level of the tank outlet as possible, with as little pipework as possible.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 08:38:45 pm »
how high have you got the pumps situated guys?, also how much pipework between the tank outlet and the pump? most pumps are not self priming so if the pipework is  long and or the pump is high up, this will cause you problems. you want the pump as close the the level of the tank outlet as possible, with as little pipework as possible.

Good point - my pump is on the level of the outlet but there is about a metre of half inch hose running to it and through a filter too.
It's a game of three halves!

craig21t

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 08:39:40 pm »
and what tank have you got?

Re: Time lag?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2008, 08:52:29 pm »
About time they invented a DI vessel that feeds and delivers from the bottom too. >:(

AuRavelling79

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008, 08:54:48 pm »
and what tank have you got?


If that means me, a 400l layflat - no DI bottle.
It's a game of three halves!

craig21t

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 09:19:15 pm »
yes, malc, i did mean you. yes 400 ltr flat if low in water wont give much gravity feed pressure to pump. sounds a silly question, i presume you have a vent hole in your tank lid, many forget to do this.

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 10:59:39 pm »
I know exactly what you mean.  It seems like the varistream has gone to sleep and takes a few seconds to wake up.  If you turn the blue pot up inside to increase pressure that might help. 

What I do though is to open the valve for a second just before I clean the window, say before I extend the pole and then when you get to clean the window the pump is ready to go.  I've noticed between windows it not such a problem, it's when you've not used the pump for a bit that the time lag comes in.

Simon.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 11:11:17 pm »
Hm.....really wonder how the digital Varistream does. It's essentially the same model, but then easier pressure adjusting etc.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 11:11:25 pm »
Yes craig - got a vent hole

Simon - same here

I just work with it, it's no big deal.

Thanks anyway.
It's a game of three halves!

Spruce

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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 11:13:01 pm »
I know exactly what you mean. It seems like the varistream has gone to sleep and takes a few seconds to wake up. If you turn the blue pot up inside to increase pressure that might help.

What I do though is to open the valve for a second just before I clean the window, say before I extend the pole and then when you get to clean the window the pump is ready to go. I've noticed between windows it not such a problem, it's when you've not used the pump for a bit that the time lag comes in.

Simon.

Hi Simon
Got the same issue - been like it since brand new - just learnt to live with it. My son's Varistream also does the same - it must be one of their quirks. Someone on here recently suggested that it could be a faulty connection but I haven't found a cure yet. Seems worse when it's cold IMO.
We both use minibore hose - my length of hose is about 75m and Cameron's is 100m.
It could be that it takes a while for the pressure release at the tap to get back to the pump with smaller diamt hose (if you understand what I am trying to say). I haven't tried it with a short piece of hose - might experiment a bit when I got a Mo.
Despite this I still believe the Varistream is good value and works well.
Spruce
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Re: Time lag?
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 11:24:24 pm »
Mine is digital and the tank is vented and it did it with the old style varistream. :-\