[AJ]

Hi all,

Does anyone use Emporium 60ft carbon poles.
Are they strong enough to last, as they are so light (2.5kg they say)I am a bit doubtful.
If they are a bit too light, is there a decent alternative.

Cheers guys

[Jeff Brimble]

I use Emporium there is also Gardiners. The new strengthened 65fter is built to the same spec as the 88ft pole in the pic. Which is designed for 100ft.
Dont buy a 65fter unless you have the work for it. They start at 35ft and you just add as many sections you need at a later date.
With correct use they are strong enough for our needs. You will not believe how light they are.

[NWH]

Light yes,strong no.

[LWC Ltd]

How High Coxy?

I use SL2, same kinda thing. Took some throwing about but nbever broke on me.
Just sticks now and again.

Saw their roller brushes. Anyone use them? What are they like. Probably heavy are they?

[cybersye]

How High Coxy?

I use SL2, same kinda thing. Took some throwing about but nbever broke on me.
Just sticks now and again.

Saw their roller brushes. Anyone use them? What are they like. Probably heavy are they?

I've recently bought a 40 ft emporium with the roller brush, I think the weight compared to the standard bentley brush is hardly noticeable. its taken me a week or so to get used to using a modular but I really like the roller brush idea and makes building the pole up a wall much easier and saves scratching up or damaging the brush on brickwork. i would recommend it.
Simon

[williamx]

Jeff

Have you used the new gardeners SL2 pole?

if so what are the + and - of each pole.

What type of work are they capable of carrying out (short duration only or can be used all day every day)

which would you recommend and why?

[Jeff Brimble]

Nobody even the manuf have done a side by side test because of the cost ( but cheaper than the telescopic). I have held  S2 .
Both poles are instruments to get you lightly past 30ft upwards. Do some more research- I can help if you want.

[Captain Scarlet]

Hey Jeff, just dropped you an email, Luke

[Alex Gardiner]

Nobody even the manuf have done a side by side test because of the cost ( but cheaper than the telescopic). I have held  S2 .
Both poles are instruments to get you lightly past 30ft upwards. Do some more research- I can help if you want.

We have thought about doing a side by side comparison. The cost to our firm would be very minor compared to our overall operating costs and certainly a lot cheaper than when we compared Facelift and Ionic products, but to be honest would anyone really believe our results?  Of course the Super-Lite would be stronger, more adaptable, better researched.  We would have to acknowledge the Emporium pole's slight weight advantage but it would probably break during our testing.   

See the problem if we printed the above? - it would have zero credibility. 

The other point is that having sold a very large number of S2's over the last six months, we are very happy with it's long term reliability and integral strength.  Comparing the two poles from our point of view would be of no real benefit because we have spent a lot of time and money on research and we know we have a very good product.  If we were unhappy with certain aspects of our product then I would have already purchased an Emporium pole to see if there was anything structural we could improve on.

Of course, we constantly look at the Super-Lite package to see if there are minor changes that can be made to improve the user experience and we have made two changes since it's release (new Velcros and end protection).

[Jeff Brimble]

As you did with the F16 Alex which  you bought and subsequently resold  !  Maybe you could also  buy an Emporium - not much difference in the price, and do side by side testing in your own comparison testing of your own stiffness chart of other makes like Ionics. I will accept your own results.
But yes its hard to put over experience, most have no idea of "lightness"

[Alex Gardiner]

Ok - we'll do that and put it on eBay afterwards, unless it breaks against the tree!

[Jeff Brimble]

Lets say 35ft, I aint got the money to do it 

[Jeff Brimble]

OK how about the other way round, you send me yours and I will evaluate both, I aready have an emporium, then I send it back and we compare notes.

[Alex Gardiner]

The problem I have Jeff, is that the real difference between the two poles is not weight or rigidity - the real advantage of the Super-Lite is it's integral strength.  The only way of back to back comparing them is to test them both to destruction. This then becomes a more expensive test than I have done previously with other poles.  I did think of sending you an S2 but you would have the same problem and end up with a broken pole.

Having thought about this a bit more, I have already spent quite a large sum of money with my legal team in stopping certain parts of the Super-Lite's design being infringed, so I don't really want to spend even more money on something that ultimately will change nothing.
 
With 18 months retail experience with the original Super-Lite behind me, I realized that as a retailer and as an end user, it's more important sacrificing a few grammes for the sake of sections that are much stronger.  This decision has borne much fruit as the S2 has proved to be a very tough pole whilst remaining awesomely light.

At the end of the day, both poles will offer a far lighter working experience than any other current telescopic or modular pole.

[frames to panes]

Send them to me, i can destruct everything.

[Jeff Brimble]

70% of us would probably only require a 20-30ft pole 20% a 60fter and 10% a higher pole.
That 70% can be accomodated by releatavely cheap but good existing poles. But its when they are used to extreme angles you realise that the modular c/f poles have many advantages over heavier Glass fibre even as low as 30ft by not causing muscular damage. (Potential accident claims of the future)  So we agree lightness is the way to go.
If you make a pole to a standard it has limitations due to its design criteria. Add more glass and you get a stronger pole at a more reasonable price. Add more carbon and you get a stiffer pole but its more expensive.
While most will only ever want to get to first floor, I want to reach for the stars- hence my quest for a 100ft pole that is also strong enough for 30ft.

[Captain Scarlet]

I dont actually think there is a need for a comparison. Me and Jeff and NWH have all held both, NWH bought both poles I believe. NWH doesnt think that the Emporium is as strong as the SL2 ( I believe he had it break on him ). The SL2 is very strong and only a small amount heavier, so on that basis I would choose the SL2, but also because of the company selling it, who has a great reputation and customer care, Luke

[Captain Scarlet]

Oh but sorry Alex the Emporium does look really cool!! I want one just for that 

[NWH]

Alex if we sort something out with the S2 for me with that end screw we spoke about i`ll send you my 40ft one.

[Alex Gardiner]

Hi NWH

I will be emailing you ..............