[NWH]

Alex i`ve emailed you.

[williamx]

While most will only ever want to get to first floor, I want to reach for the stars- hence my quest for a 100ft pole that is also strong enough for 30ft.

Jeff

Yesterday I was talking to a customer from a property managment company, who said that he had heard that someone is using a pole that reaches 37 metres which = 122 feet have you any knowledge of such a pole?. 

[Jeff Brimble]

Yes I have just had an email its a two man carbonized and they didnt want to do it again.
We are only limited by the new technology. Who knows where we will be in 12 months and why not as long as H&S keep their beurocracy out.

[alanwilson]

200ft is very possible but would prob require 2 or 3 men to guide on the way up!

[Captain Scarlet]

Jeff, it wasnt the carbontec, it was the carbonized. Dont know if William is thinking of the same company, but these are based in the Midlands, Luke

[Jeff Brimble]

Corrected

[Captain Scarlet]

Have you used one of those carbonized Jeff, Ive held a few sections. But there seems to be alot of possiblilty for dirt to get trapped in the connectors, Luke

[Jeff Brimble]

I think it was at last years Cleaning Show or the one before, very similar to Ungers to look at, held it but not worked with it.If its the same pole I thought they may be going in the wrong direction due to the weight.
 I think it works out at approx 16kg or 35lbs for the 120ft height that they dropped.

Or 8kg 17Lb for the 61ft

An E2 is 6kg 58ft

An Emporium 2.1kg  58ft

[Captain Scarlet]

William, I just looked in your profile, your in Birmingham, so it is very likley its the same company we are talking about, I know the owner, Luke

[Captain Scarlet]

The 15m carbonized weighs 6810 gramms. Thats 49.2ft and 6.8kg so another 49.2ft ontop will be nearly 14kg at nearly 100ft. Thats too much if you ask me,  Luke

[Wayne Thomas]

70% of us would probably only require a 20-30ft pole 20% a 60fter and 10% a higher pole.
I want to reach for the stars- hence my quest for a 100ft pole that is also strong enough for 30ft.

The shy's the limit......... At what height does WFP become unsafe to use confidently for us WFP users & for the safety of the public if a pole should break or fall to the ground?

[Alex Gardiner]

I have now been able to do a back to back comparison of the Emporium pole and the Super-Lite.

Here are the stats:

EMPORIUM

35= 1.1 kg, 32' 5"
40= 1.4 kg, 37' 10"
46= 1.7 kg, 43' 3"
52= 2.0 kg, 48' 8"
58= 2.3 kg, 54' 1"
66= 2.6 kg, 59' 6"

SUPER-LITE

35= 1.3 kg, 34' 2"
40= 1.7 kg, 39' 9"
45= 2.0 kg, 45' 4"
51= 2.3 kg, 50' 11"
56= 2.6 kg, 56' 6"

All the above measurements have been taken using the same measuring equipment.  There is a discrepancy between the Emporium's published weights and our findings but this will be down to different scales which is why we've weighed both poles on the same equipment. 

As can be seen, the Emporium is slightly lighter than the Super-Lite but each pole length is shorter than the Super-Lite pole length, e.g, on the 56 ft package (SL-56, Emporium 58) the Super-Lite is 2' 5" longer.  Even allowing for the difference in actual pole length, the Emporium pole does work out at about 0.5 of a gramme lighter per inch of length. 

Rigidity - We weighted both poles at an extended length of 37 ft with a 500 g weight on the end. Held at an angle of 30 degrees off of horizontal, the Super-Lite was noticeably more rigid (about 15-20% more rigid).  When our firm is officially installed in our new premises we will have the indoor space to photograph these type of tests and tabulate them properly.

Strength -  The only real way to test these poles is to repeatedly drop weights on each section and record the weight at which each shatters.  We haven't done this as we don't particularly want to destroy two poles but having tested them by hand, the Super-Lite has at least twice the resistance to side wall deformation than the Emporium.

That's all I can say at the moment except that now I have seen the Emporium pole I am reassured with the decisions we made in the development of the Super-Lite.  Over the next month or so I will try and compare both poles side by side in actual use which is always a good test.

Please note - I have been comparing two competing poles, one of which I make a profit from selling and the other of which loses me potential profit when it's sold. Despite this, I have tried to be accurate and reliable in my measuring and assessment but I quite understand if anyone feels that I would not be objective. Anyone is more than welcome to visit our premises and carry out their own comparisons of the two products.

I do realize that to anyone who isn't interested in such things, this may sound incredibly anorak-like!  However, for those who are interested, I wanted to provide the above details.

[Captain Scarlet]

Alex, I already thought that when I held both of them together!!! That extra weight is making the SL2 stronger and it isnt alot to sacrifice if you ask me, Luke

[Captain Scarlet]

the Super-Lite has at least twice the resistance to side wall deformation than the Emporium.

is that squashing the poles at a right angle to the length? If it is, I noticed when gripping both poles together that the sl2 didnt deform as much as the Emporium, Luke

[Darren O]

Iam sure if emporium poles done a similiar test with both poles theyre figures would be slightly different.Dont realy see the point of this post your not going to say that emporium poles are better than yours are you.ps i will stick with my facelift.

[Captain Scarlet]

Darren, I have held both and found the same results, the Emporium is lighter but the SL2 is stronger, Luke

[Darren O]

I wouldnt of expected anything else from you Luke.

[Alex Gardiner]

the Super-Lite has at least twice the resistance to side wall deformation than the Emporium.

is that squashing the poles at a right angle to the length?

Yes.

[Captain Scarlet]

Darren, I buy the best equipment for my business. The SL2 is the best moduar pole for me...end of. If Emporium bring out a pole I like more, I will buy it. If I wanted a 35ft modular for a second user that doesnt use it much, I might consider an Emporium. I by no means dislike the Emporium, infact I asked Jeff Brimble if I could keep his because it looks nice! Luke

[williamx]

Iam sure if emporium poles done a similiar test with both poles theyre figures would be slightly different.Dont realy see the point of this post your not going to say that emporium poles are better than yours are you.ps i will stick with my facelift.

Darren

Unlike various suppliers including facelift, there are only a few including alex who are willing to put their products in the open, to be shot down in flames.

Alex has done a few simple tests, these are not a complete and through test between his and other suppliers poles, but he has given his own opinion on whats is different between each pole.

If he has edged the truth, to favour his products, then he will be exposed and ridiculed by members on this and other forums.

From what I know of alex, this is not going to happen, if he had found that the "Emporium Pole" was far superior than his then I doubt he would have posted these figures, instead he would have gone back to the drawing board to try and make his pole better.

There are too many companies coming onto this and other forums, saying their products are the best, how are the newbies to know which one is the best unless they prove it to us.

Darren you say that you are going to stay with your "facelift" which is ok for you, but unless you have put your facelift pole in comparisons tests against the "SL2" or "Emporium pole" and have found it to be better then how are we all to know which pole is.