[Buster Ingram]

As I said  earlier, it's nice to have a good debate.
I think its time to close this thread  and refleck on what's been said.

[garyj]

Naaaa, keep it going.

If nothing else this thread has shown there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Here is a quote from a book

" Being right is based on knowledge and experience and is often provable.
Knowledge comes from the past, so it is safe. It is also out of date.
It is the opposite of originality.

Experience is built from solutions to old situations and problems. The old situations are probably different from the present ones, so that the old solutions will have to be bent to fit new problems ( and possibly fit badly). Also the likelihood is that, if you've got the experience, you'll probably use it.

This is lazy.

Experience is the opposite to being creative.
If you can prove you're right, you're set in concrete. You cannot move with the times or the people.

Being right is also boring. Your mind is closed. You are not open to new ideas. You are rooted in your own rightness, which is arrogant. Arrogance is a valuable tool, but only if used sparingly.

Worst of all, being right has a tone of morality about it. To be anything else sounds weak or fallible, and people who are right would hate to be fallible.

So: it's wrong to be right, because people who are right are rooted in the past, rigid minded, dull and smug.

There is no talking to them"

I've seen this thread as the 'Old Master's' who know what they are doing against the people who are actually out there doing the work and trying different angles, and comeing up with solutions we can all benefit from.

I just want to know what works and what doesn't in real world scenerios.

[*paul_moss]

Dave your right some times you just need to stand back for a moment and then relook at things with fresh eyes,  it always seems different 

Gary J, The last line of your thread below is spot on.

[Roger Koh]

Gary, I agree technicality is more profitable than triviality.
Yes Paul, this “smoke screen” is a distraction.

Objective is to remove the grease effectively.
Methods are subjective and plenty,  just choose one that suits us best.

Remember, degreasing no matter how safe, will inevitably remove dye, fatliquor or wax effect.
Leather pH exposed to alkalinity, needs acidification to bring back to leather pH neutral of 3 – 5.

And the worn-off top coat in the first place needs a matching replacement.

If we have not prepared mentally for this job, as Paul said,  just walk away.

Decision has to be made intentionally to switch from cleaning carpet to cleaning leather progressively thus making any attempt slaving it worth while in order to master it.

Leather calls for a high skill level with aptitude and attitude with interest.
I started off just like you people here with all the mistakes I made obliviously to the satisfaction of my customer at that time, they were happy so was I.
When I look back, 80% of the leather work I had done, I would not do it the same way today.

Sophisticated leather, this aniline wax pull-up certainly is.
Training is not a prerequisite if one is willing to follow a system strictly.

“I just want to know what works and what doesn't in real world scenerios”.

Only practice with the most technically sound system can make you an “expert” in the real world scenario.

This on-line interaction is one fantastic way to pick up all the tips and tricks of the trade.

The more you post the more you learn; this is the cheapest training format you ever get.

Keep on posting! Keep on learning!


Roger Koh
www.f.com

[*paul_moss]

Roger,pity your so far away. you sound like a good guy to meet,and very down to earth.

[Roger Koh]

Paul, “far away” is only approximate 8 hours away by air.

When profitable opportunities arise we shall meet.
In the meantime emails are just a finger touch away.

Also, would you like to preview any of the “down to earth” 79 products?
This is an opportunity to test it out and share your experience during CCDO in April!
Most people have not seen what a fatliquor is like in a bottle yet!
Fatliquor is the lifeblood of all leathers.
All leather products go through the tannery fatliquoring including woolskin, sheepskin, shearling, nubuck or suede.
As professional leather cleaners, we cannot ignore the fact that we need to replenish fatliquor that is lost through ageing and cleaning.

Products can be sent to you with my compliments. The “proof is in the eating of the pudding”.

Roger Koh.
www.f.com

[*paul_moss]

Thanks Roger pm sent 

[Roger Koh]

Where do I retrieve the PM from?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

probably your email as PMs aren't used here.

Shaun

[Roger Koh]

Thanks, found it!

[carpet guy]

Interesting post as usual Roger. I'm still puzzled by the web site I came accross some time ago, which I thought was yours. It had loads of information and photos' plus product information.

I downloaded advertising leaflets from the site, but lost them to a knackered laptop.

Incidentally I live in the village where much of the top U K leathers are produced and have been for at least a century, Bridge of Weir.



rob

[Roger Koh]

So, you are a “Carpet Guy?”

Would you like to be a successful “Leather Guy” too?

By providing top notch professional leather services to commercial establishment, luxurious homes, cars, airplanes, yachts and wholesale leather garment services to dry cleaners and hotels too.

Training is not a prerequisite, just follow a system and practice to make perfect. 

And selling these products too, to diehard DIY.

Business opportunities in leather service are abound from head to toe to everything made for comfort, appeal and charm for both man and woman.

I was once upon a time a carpet guy too, now a die hard leather guy.

See what mutual business opportunities we can develop together.

I can supply, you can multiply!

All are welcome too!

Roger Koh
www.f.com

[LTT Leathercare]

Hi Roger

Are you going to be at the IICRC conference in Vancouver later this year?  It would be interesting to meet up.

[Roger Koh]

Why not, it is always good reason why die hard leather guys or gals should meet.

It is either the “Yankee Vancouver” or the “British Vancouver”.

Beautiful Alpine Whistler 2010 Olympic Venue is hard to resist.

It gives you more than double reasons when you plan to come by this way.

Roger Koh