[M Walker]

I am in Devon & willing to help

[Michael D]

Hi   

Sorry to see you have a problem.
                                                           Go to where they are.  tell them you are taking anything that amounts to what they owe you.    Tell the police what you are doing,  get something on paper to leave,  and get your money.   You did the work you need to get paid.       P.S     take £10 in coins taped together in you hand.   All the best   Michael D

[Cleaning Resource]

i`m in devon too, if there is anything i can do

[Richy L]

cheers guys.

yesterday i rang and his wife answered. shes was really friendly, kept calling me lovely ...  i.e "ok lovely". she asked me what the call was about, and i said "its about some money that i should of recieved 4 weeks ago, but i still haven't had it"
She said he would phone me back today (friday).

I didnt give him chance to ring me so i just phoned him ......

him: hi you alright
me: im ok, u?
him: not really, im on the other line at the moment trying to chase some f**** cheques. I know what you're ringing me about and ill get the money to you as soon as i can. Theres not a lot more i can do at the moment. ill let you know when i get the money in to pay you.
me:ok, well ill ring you again in a couple of days.

Its doing my nut in. i dont want to take force unless there is absolutly no other option. so ill be ringing him again monday. and ill keep pestering him until i get somewhere.

[Alistair@AWC]

Richy,

I dont want to give you bad advice, so you should double check this - but Im quite sure what he has done to you is classed as 'trading whilst insolvent' meaning he has taken goods or services from you knowing full well he didnt have the means to pay for them, which aside from him going bankrupt means he could be prosecuted for fraud - I Think!!!!

If you can verify this and put it to him im sure he'll find a way of paying your money - Good Luck

Al

[Richy L]

thanks alistair.
I dont want to get to heavy yet. it'll be easier to get my money if were not enemies. how long should i let if go on for though?

[Alistair@AWC]

Richy,

Youve got to remember that this guy has stolen £1000 from you, it'll be those that shout the loudest who will get there money.

As for how long you should let it go for - my opinion is the longer you leave it the less chance you'll have of recovering your money.

Al

[mk1]

hi richy it happens it sucks but it does happen   have a look on here good site loads of free info and letters

www.payontime.co.uk

try and work with the poeple who owe you OR it can work against you ...do every thing by the book. because if it goes to court you will get shafted not the bad payer  : :

been done twice in 4 years for fairly small amounts £500.00 and under.if this happens it smarts but you can right it off in your accounts at the end of the year. thats the only thing you can do in my experience.

[poleman]

Any Luck!

[garyj]

Any news on this one, bet he never paid 

[Richy L]

so far he hasn't, no.

But i found the number of his old work partner and he said talk to him. Then he rang me back and said he did intent on paying me, but when he's more "financially stable" (whatever that means).

Im going to keep calling the guy that owes me the money, i dont want to give up!


... and of course, any new news ill keep you informed

[Just a cleaner.]

Dont be soft on this whinging numpty.  He has no intention of paying you.

I had a client rip me of when i just started up their company was liquidated I got £32 out of £1000 owed, it took 3 years to get it.

From every thing I've read here it sounds like the same will happen to you.

use the advice given to you above go to www.thomashiggins.com  get them to send a letter it will frighten the poop out of him.

Or better still go to www.moneyclaimonline.gov.uk and start immediate court proceedings.  Guarantee as soon as he sees the county court summons if hes got it he will pay up.

Dont be a soft poope ARE YOU A BUSINESS MAN OR a Whimp If you dont do somehing soon you will be the only loser.

It makes me very angry when these smarmy little sods think they can p us about because we are in cleaning.

Come on mate you know we are right the numpty is taking the p.

Guarantee as soon as he sees the county court summons if hes got it he will pay up.

[dandandan]

Look on the companies house website were all limited companies are listed and see if his accounts are up to date,ask him nicely for a letter explaining his situation and giving you a rough idea of  what the chances of you being paid are and you may trick him into putting the proof he owes you money into writing,he`s probably bumped a few people and will be trading under another name soon,if you lived on his doorstep it probably wouldn`t have happened so i reckon he`s testing you out,become a pest and keep checking if he is doing any work,then show up at job.I had same problem and put an advertisement in the bluffers local paper asking if anyone else had had the same problem.

[sherco]

Similar thing happened to a mate of mine who is a painter, the guy owed lots of people money, he was just pulling a fast one on him saying he had money troubles etc, still drove around in a range rover sport though, I'm a tiler so one night we tiled the bonnet of his range rover, and left a note saying this would keep happening until he paid all the trades he owed money too. He didn't know who did it as he owed loads of people money, but within a week everybody had been paid.

[cml]

I am of the opinion that you are someone who takes a person at face value and hope for the best. 

The question is how long are you prepared to wait for monies that you may receive with no interest nor administrative charges for your time spent chasing it?

You are aware of money problems in the company which may be so severe causing a business partner to leave. However, this does not mean that partner is off the hook but this depends on his legal status within the limited company. So armed with this information what have you done? Nothing but place a few phone calls and are phobed off all the time with a promise to pay.

I also gather you do not want to go down the small claims route; maybe the time and effort needed has put you off.  You may want to seek advice from your local CAB ***highly recommended*** on alternative actions.

A 'default notice' if not defended can be purely administrative and very effective if you enforce the order, it affects credit status etc., and if as someone mentioned earlier about 'insolvent trading/Fraud' there are cases where the individuals concerned are held personally liable to repay a debt.
Furthermore if he is trading insolvent just image how many other businesses he may be taking for a ride.  Someone has to take a stand and do what's right just to avoid someone else feeling what you are experiencing now.
You need to demonstrate that you are handling your company professionally and that you have sound procedures on debt management, otherwise forget it and move on.

[gmcs]

Devon just over the moor where

[JJWindowCleaners]

You need to find out if it was a limited company or just a partnership.  If just a partnership they are both personally liable for company debts.
Would be good ammunition for you.  Keep onto the other partner too.  You did the work whilst he was still a partner right?

[Richy L]

thanks for your advice, but i have no address, just a name for the company and a mobile number.

The only address I can get hold of is the partner that has left.

And it is a LTD company.

[cml]

If it is a limited company then you will be able to find their registered address at companies house and serve a notice there.  Its good service...........meaning you do not need to serve notice of your claim at their trading office.

You can still as far as possible find the actual directors, if
you can prove the company is trading insolvent...(which can be done via filing for a winding up order) after your default notice is granted) or if fraud has taken place forcing the courts to look behind the company and at the directors personnally.  Whilst I do not want to confuse you or give you wrong advice, again, I would strongly advise that you seek legal representation and explore the avenues open to you.

By the way having the partners address is a good start. 

But there is information missing, gaps unfilled and hard to get a complete picture on this without all facts.  You are certain its a limited company but have no name of persons, just a name of company and mobile telephone number. 

Why are you not chasing the partner who is still liable? Can he confirm whether this other guy is a registered director? This partner must know something about him.

I now tread with caution!!!! You have been given a wealth of good advice by forum members and still fail to act.

Let me just say this.  If someone using a limited company is trying to hide behind it and commit certain unlawful acts they can and may be held personally liable for ALL debts owed!!!

[rob fryer]

Ring the guy tell him you have a parcel for him with a damaged label but you have his contact number on your paperwork . Can he give a delivery address.
Ring him in morn about eightish make a name up of a parcel company ,It just may work???