[seanpaul]

Just about to convert to wfp, got Pure Freedom Trolley.
Wanted to know how far people are prepared to go as regards cleaning windows in adverse conditions? 'that fine stuff that wet's you through' to drizzle or light snow flakes?

seanpaul

[Scrimble]

squirting water onto wet windows in the rain? 

[jonah]

that turbo sign is giving me a headache !

[[GQC] Tim]

Can I work in the rain with a pure water system?

If we examine the water cycle, we learn that the water evaporates from the surface of lakes, rivers and the sea. Their mineral content is left behind when the water vaporises, which means that when the water condenses and forms clouds, the water is pure.

It is this pure water that falls as rain. The rain does not stay pure for long however, because as it falls through the atmosphere, the water molecules bind to and dissolve all the minerals it comes into contact with on its way to the ground.

While this water is no longer pure, it does have a relatively low mineral content. In the UK with our usual south westerly winds, the total dissolved solids reading of this water is around 14 TDS, with the limit for spot free drying being 9 TDS or lower. (Some tap supplies will reach 500+ TDS)

When cleaning windows with pure water, pure water is left to dry naturally on the glazing, when the rain comes into contact with this water, it serves to dilute the rain water. If an equal amount of rain water falls on the freshly washed glazing, the TDS reading of that water will then read 7 TDS within the range of spot free cleaning.

In short then, you can clean windows with pure water in all but the most torrential rain with most satisfactory results.

Many clients may well be sceptical at first, as using chemical cleaners leave a residue that becomes sticky and actually attracts dirt and that is what they will be used to. However once they have seen the results for themselves, most clients will have no problem with you calling when the weather is far from ideal.   


From Concept2o's website.

[windowwashers]

Can I work in the rain with a pure water system?

If we examine the water cycle, we learn that the water evaporates from the surface of lakes, rivers and the sea. Their mineral content is left behind when the water vaporises, which means that when the water condenses and forms clouds, the water is pure.

It is this pure water that falls as rain. The rain does not stay pure for long however, because as it falls through the atmosphere, the water molecules bind to and dissolve all the minerals it comes into contact with on its way to the ground.

While this water is no longer pure, it does have a relatively low mineral content. In the UK with our usual south westerly winds, the total dissolved solids reading of this water is around 14 TDS, with the limit for spot free drying being 9 TDS or lower. (Some tap supplies will reach 500+ TDS)

When cleaning windows with pure water, pure water is left to dry naturally on the glazing, when the rain comes into contact with this water, it serves to dilute the rain water. If an equal amount of rain water falls on the freshly washed glazing, the TDS reading of that water will then read 7 TDS within the range of spot free cleaning.

In short then, you can clean windows with pure water in all but the most torrential rain with most satisfactory results.

Many clients may well be sceptical at first, as using chemical cleaners leave a residue that becomes sticky and actually attracts dirt and that is what they will be used to. However once they have seen the results for themselves, most clients will have no problem with you calling when the weather is far from ideal.   


From Concept2o's website.

I am loving that and backs me up on here aswell 

[brett walker]

Hi Sean

you got a pure freedom trolley then

if you ever sell any of your work in Gamston let me know as my mate cvet also works there

you sold your woodthorpe work to mark hes changed it over to wfp and put the prices up hes doing well

regards

Brett

[mark dew]

Just about to convert to wfp, got Pure Freedom Trolley.
Wanted to know how far people are prepared to go as regards cleaning windows in adverse conditions? 'that fine stuff that wet's you through' to drizzle or light snow flakes?

seanpaul

The only weather i've had problems with are driving rain and very windy dry days.

[windowwashers]

Just about to convert to wfp, got Pure Freedom Trolley.
Wanted to know how far people are prepared to go as regards cleaning windows in adverse conditions? 'that fine stuff that wet's you through' to drizzle or light snow flakes?

seanpaul

The only weather i've had problems with are driving rain and very windy dry days.

bit like today then 

[xxmattyxx]

I am loving that and backs me up on here aswell 

Ian I dont know about the others on here, but I fully understand your thinking about working in the wet and the guarantee you offer. It is one of the advantages of WFP without a doubt, being able to continue working satisfactorily whilst weather conditions might suggest otherwise.

I cant wait to get out there and at least give it a try, even if its only on my place, once my trolley arrives.

For me though there are 2 problems about window-cleaning in the wet.

Custys assume windows will be dirtier if its raining and many, myself included, dont like working in the wet.



Matt

[windowwashers]

I am loving that and backs me up on here aswell 

Ian I dont know about the others on here, but I fully understand your thinking about working in the wet and the guarantee you offer. It is one of the advantages of WFP without a doubt, being able to continue working satisfactorily whilst weather conditions might suggest otherwise.

I cant wait to get out there and at least give it a try, even if its only on my place, once my trolley arrives.

For me though there are 2 problems about window-cleaning in the wet.

Custys assume windows will be dirtier if its raining and many, myself included, dont like working in the wet.



Matt

working in the rain the hardest thing is convincing yourself you can do it, I can think of quite a few reasons why not to go to work today. I offer the guarantee because if there is a problem from me working in the rain I go back and fix it, better to have to go back to say three jobs and earn more than sit there wishing you was earning money.

[supernova77]

I am doing a large gutter / fascia & soffit cleaning job today. I also need to clean the windows on the house, so it will be a good test for WFP in the rain!

Andy

[xxmattyxx]

I am doing a large gutter / fascia & soffit cleaning job today. I also need to clean the windows on the house, so it will be a good test for WFP in the rain!

Andy

Andy I have a gutter job to do today, theyre having their windows done too like the place your talking about, but Im still trad, so the windows'll get done next week but the gutter surely will be done today   

Matt

[windowwashers]

I am doing a large gutter / fascia & soffit cleaning job today. I also need to clean the windows on the house, so it will be a good test for WFP in the rain!

Andy

Andy I have a gutter job to do today, theyre having their windows done too like the place your talking about, but Im still trad, so the windows'll get done next week but the gutter surely will be done today   

Matt

what is stopping you doing the windows today matty? as long as the rain is not belting it down on the glass you can do them I used to. just go through quite a few scrims.

[supernova77]

Andy I have a gutter job to do today, theyre having their windows done too like the place your talking about, but Im still trad, so the windows'll get done next week but the gutter surely will be done today  Grin  Grin

Matt

Nice one Matt.

Do you do gutters off of a ladder?

I'm going to be using my pressure washer with extendable lance.

Andy

[windowwashers]

Andy I have a gutter job to do today, theyre having their windows done too like the place your talking about, but Im still trad, so the windows'll get done next week but the gutter surely will be done today  Grin  Grin

Matt

Nice one Matt.

Do you do gutters off of a ladder?

I'm going to be using my pressure washer with extendable lance.

Andy

how good is that lance? I still do gutters off a ladder (that may change) just need to see one of these in action as if I am totally honest I dont like or want to use ladders anymore.

[xxmattyxx]

I am doing a large gutter / fascia & soffit cleaning job today. I also need to clean the windows on the house, so it will be a good test for WFP in the rain!

Andy

Andy I have a gutter job to do today, theyre having their windows done too like the place your talking about, but Im still trad, so the windows'll get done next week but the gutter surely will be done today   

Matt

what is stopping you doing the windows today matty? as long as the rain is not belting it down on the glass you can do them I used to. just go through quite a few scrims.

2 reasons really, I said in another post, I dont like working in the wet, it makes you wet 

also this is new custy, so, trying to be at least a little diplomatic.

Andy I have a gutter job to do today, theyre having their windows done too like the place your talking about, but Im still trad, so the windows'll get done next week but the gutter surely will be done today  Grin  Grin

Matt

Nice one Matt.

Do you do gutters off of a ladder?

I'm going to be using my pressure washer with extendable lance.

Andy

This'll be done off ladders yea. Youll need to do the window after anyway with that thing your using 

[supernova77]

how good is that lance? I still do gutters off a ladder (that may change) just need to see one of these in action as if I am totally honest I dont like or want to use ladders anymore.

I'll take some before and after pics of a lower level gutter so that you can see what kind of job it does.

Andy

[Jago]

Andy what is the mess like from the washer?
as Just wondering on that score
Regards J

[Barnes Wallis]

squirting water onto wet windows in the rain? 

Good point, Scrimble.

[wightsurf]

I use washer and lance for gutter cleaning,not clearing the inside makes a quick job .