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Andrew44

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PAYLOAD OF SHED
« on: January 16, 2008, 11:11:24 am »
I'm getting a wooden shed and intend to have 650 ltrs ibc in it. Is there any otehrs who keep this weight of water in a wooden shed?  Does this seem to be sensible or is this weight too heavy??

Shed companies said it should be OK but they would say that !!


Thanks

Tim Rose

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 11:51:32 am »
Go for it and let us know what happens will you?    Centre the tank over the floor beams, and spread the load over some extra floor panels.

Keep mice out.

Trevor Knight

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 11:57:52 am »
Shouldn't be a problem but I would suggest perhaps some paving slabs to support the floor directly under where you will place the tank.
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Tim Rose

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 12:00:48 pm »
You don't want MORE weight on the floor for heaven's sake!  You want more STRENGTH.  Please don't put concrete slabs onto a wooden floor unless you want it and the tank to have a conversation with the earth!

Trevor Knight

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 12:17:35 pm »
???????? when you put a shed up you put the slabs UNDERNEATH the floor not inside the shed! thought that was OBVIOUS?
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Tim Rose

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 12:27:03 pm »
In that case you may as well set the shed on a bed of wet concrete and get all the problems of water rising into the shed floor. Same thing will happen if you put slbs under the shed. You need free air flow.

Trevor Knight

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 12:31:12 pm »
oh sorry, my mistake, I didn't realise you had a floating shed????

Well all I will say is the two sheds in my garden both have slabs in the corners and I have no problem with the floor whatsoever!

Either way whatever you use, wood, concrete etc...........damp will always rise?
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Tim Rose

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 12:39:31 pm »
It's an ark, not a shed, and the animals' urine is playing havoc with the floor.

I'd put the shed on its bearers in the usual way and reinforce the shed floor (inside) with floor panels like you line a loft with.

Don't put so much flooring in that you can't get the IBC in.

Then again, why have it in a shed?  Just leave it outside and cover with black plastic to prevent algae growth.

Trevor Knight

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 12:41:57 pm »
this is taken from a professional shed company, perhaps your better off seeking their advice?

Shed Bases

Sheds need to be on a good foundation, though not necessarily as substantial a foundation as is sometimes thought. A large solid concrete slab will of course be excellent, but is a considerable amount of effort to mix and lay the concrete required for even a modest shed. If you decide on this route, then the slab should be at least 100mm - 4" thick. Generally the larger the shed and the more it used as somewhere to work - walking in and out regularly, the more substantial the base needs to be.

Wooden sheds always come with a wooden floor, usually consisting of tongue and groove boards held together with battens, these will come into contact with the ground and no matter how well soaked in preservative they are, they will rot if placed directly on the soil and so need something to keep them off the soil. 

The purpose of a shed base is to provide a level platform for the shed so it can be erected properly and to keep the wood away from damp soil. If anything it is useful to have the shed base standing slightly proud - half to an inch will do - of the surrounding soil.

Perfectly adequate for the majority of purposes for simple storage sheds up to about 8ft x 6ft is a base of paving slabs laid dry onto levelled soil.
Mark out the area of the shed, strip off the turf if there is any and smooth out the the soil as well as you can.
Lay a string line along 2 edges of the shed and place the first slab in the corner, level it using a spirit level for most purposes, soil is perfectly adequate to level the slabs except if your shed is being placed somewhere fairly damp or perhaps low lying.
If you want a more stable and solid base or if the area is damp or low lying, a dry sand and cement mix of 8 parts builders sand to 1 part cement could be laid as a bed below the slabs to a depth of about 2 inches. This will also make it easier to level the area and to ensure the slabs are horizontal above it as the sand-cement is easier to move around than soil and settles less.
   

Lay the next slab against the long edge and level it with the first using the spirit level. Continue until the first row are all laid, then start on the second.
Put the wooden shed base on your slab base and build the shed. I'd always give the underside of the base a really good couple of coats of preservative before it goes down as you'll probably never see it again.
You can get by with less than a complete covering of slabs, as long as you have the full length of the battens that hold together the floor supported
 
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Tim Rose

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2008, 12:47:39 pm »
Get a van and put the tank in there?

Andrew44

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 12:51:06 pm »
Thanks for your advice guys.  I have actually got paving slabs down and 6 6ft fence post on top for air circulation.  The errection aspects are OK but wondered if anyone had that weight in a shed.

Thanks anyway

Trevor Knight

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 12:52:09 pm »
like I said earlier, am sure you will be ok just support the area underneath where the tank will sit?
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Andrew44

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 01:03:39 pm »
Trevor.  I was thinking of having it on a wooden pallet to spread the load.  I know this is more weight but hopefully the  extra weight spread over a larger area will be better.

It will be at back of shed eitehr across ways or running with line of shed.  Don't know until I see it.

Thanks

Tim Rose

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 01:35:38 pm »
Spreading the weight is the key Andrew.

jeff1

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 01:38:07 pm »
Andrew, If your concerned about the weight of the tank on the floor, Just make sure the shed is on slabs,(or good foundation) and there is nothing stopping you adding extra timbers Underneath.

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2008, 02:01:46 pm »
I have a 6 inch reinforced concrete base under my shed, but the shed floor easy takes the weight, thats 1000L IBC.  A friend of mine has 400L on the decking.

Simon.

Andrew44

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2008, 03:03:07 pm »
Thanks guys

Jon-scwindows

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2008, 03:49:05 pm »
i have a tiny shed old shed with 1000 litre ibc full in there, no problem...  about 2 foot of the floor with brick pillars each corner to hold it up to help with filling tanks, gravity..

matt

Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2008, 04:12:50 pm »
what a thread

My option would be just take the floor out and lay on slabs, any condensation on the tank will drain away under the slabs, afterall your not going to live it, its only for a IBC


AuRavelling79

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Re: PAYLOAD OF SHED
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2008, 05:58:12 pm »
When it said payload of shed I thought you were referring to my wife's old Rover!
It's a game of three halves!