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wash & go window cleaners

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WFP HELP!!!
« on: November 22, 2004, 06:55:42 pm »
   HI EVERYONE
                        WE ARE THINKING OF BUYING A WFP SYSTEM FOR OUR W/C BUSINESS IN THE NEW YEAR. WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCE OF THESE SYSTEMS WHAT SO EVER OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED OURSELVES. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE USEFULL  FOR  AROUND 30% OF OUR WORK AT THE MOMENT. COULD ANY OF YOU GUYS POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION I:E BEST PLACES TO BUY /FREE DEMONSTRATIONS/INFO ETC... THERE SEEMS TO BE QUITE A LOT ON EBAY FROM 400-1500 QUID THAT CLAIM THAT THEY OFFER THE SAME QUALITY AS MANY OF THE MARKET LEADERS. THANKS
                                                                    TOM

Philip Hanson

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Re: WFP HELP!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 08:30:13 pm »
Hello wash & Go

You are in a position that many find themselves in, needing to know about WFP, but where do you go to find out?

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I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE USEFULL  FOR  AROUND 30% OF OUR WORK AT THE MOMENT
I think once you start with WFP you will almost certainly use it for ALL of your work, for the simple reason that its faster.  Most people think they will only use it for X or Y jobs, but then when they have the system its used for everything.  Otherwise, its a bit of a waste of money.

Best places to buy... Hmmm.  there are quite a few WFP suppliers around, some offering good quality well-built kit, others cobble it together, dangerously usually.

If you search past threads, a list of suppliers has been done a few times.

Forget EBAY, I've never seen such a load of rubbish costing so much.  Apart from anything else, a WFP system requires professional installation, fit it yourself and it will be a death-trap.  But apart from that, the systems you see there are from other people who have cobbled it together only to find it didnt work very well, and so they've gone out and bought a manufactured system (and now need to sell their piece of junk)

Water-fed poles are the best thing to happen to window cleaning for a Loooooong time.  Dont spoil the advantages be getting a "Fred-in-the-shed" system.  Go cheap, and you will end up with mediocre results at best.  I'd set a minimum budget of £3,500 for the system, AND EXTRA £300 FOR INSTALLATION.

Your vehicle's payload weight will determine the maximum capaicty system you can safely get.

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FREE DEMONSTRATIONS/INFO ETC.
Excellent idea.  The free demonstrations are an absolute MUST.  The better suppliers will do them no problem.  If you phone a supplier and are told:

 "Well, get a demo from [X COMPANY] and then give me a ring cos ours are the same as theirs, okay mate?"

Then put the phone down and throw away their number.  Any company that wont come to you to demo (no matter where you live) is not a serious supplier, and if you use them you will almost certainly find it difficult or impossible to get spare parts and servicing in the future.

WFP will mean an ongoing relationship with your supplier, if your supplier is not a serious operator, it will cost you downtime, frustration and money, guaranteed.

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

wash & go window cleaners

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Re: WFP HELP!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 10:14:08 pm »
Thank you for your response Philip you seem to know what you are talking about. I think I will look around for reputable suppliers of WFP systems and get a Demo in our area. Like you have said  fitting it ourselves to our vehicle is a NO NO as safety is paramount. I'm sure many members will agree. It just seems such a big step to change the way that you work after you have been using traditional methods for so long. But looking around this forum every w/c that has made the change say its the best thing that they have done. Any more comments or links would be very welcome

THANKS TOM :)

Philip Hanson

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Re: WFP HELP!!! New
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 12:27:07 am »
Here I did a search and copied/pasted this from another post:

Here are some good suppliers I know of:

Ionic Systems Ltd
www.ionicsystems.com
The WFP industry leader.  They manufacture the "reach & wash" system.  They also are the only company to have conducted crash-tests on their systems.  They have a specially designed set of poles known as the "ergo-lite" range, and once you've used one you wont want anything else.  Last year they introduced the UK's first hot-water system ,the THERMOPURE which is proving popular.  Be warned though, if you want the best, you have to pay for it, the systems are top quality and not cheap.  They do finance plans however.  Ionic Systems sponsor The British Window Cleaning Academy so good on them.  They have recently launched a very interesting 100 Litre system, pictures on the PWC website (click the globe under my name)

Contact: Reuben Reynolds

Omnipole
www.omnipole.com
Omnipole have an excellent trolley system known as the "omnitrolley"  They use aluminium poles (rather than fibre-glass or carbon fibre, but they will supply these on request) which have a myriad of attachments for any cleaning job you could imagine!  (Including gutters).  I have had a go of their kit, it is well constructed.  Justin Ruggles uses an omnipole system, and is very happy with it.

Contact : Glyn Howard

Tucker Poles UK
http://www.tuckerpolesystemsuk.co.uk
Tucker poles systems is an american franchise that is operated in the UK by a company called Aquafactors Ltd in Basingstoke.  Tucker systems have a reputation for quality, they favour static systems, with only DI resin mounted inthe van, thereby freeing up payload for a greater capacity.  (I'm not entirely convinced about this theory).  Their poles are aluminium and as a result very light weight.  However, they are also more flexible than most.  Some people like this others hate it.  Also they need a special hand tool extend and retract them.  This fact was picked up by the Health & Safety Laboratory, who recommended they come with a better way of adjusting them as this often meant that operators didnt bother, and used the poles at the wrong angle (causing back strain).  I'd have to agree with the HSL, using a hand tool, especially in winter months, is a pain. I must also say that I have deep reservations about the Tucker's method of anchoring the tanks in vehicles.

Contact : Alan Matthews


Brodex
www.brodexbms.co.uk
Brodex's range of systems are called the High-Flow, Eco-flow and 3G.  Their systems are encased in stainless steel, making them quite distinctive.  Unfortunately they had their wrists slapped recently for the third time by the Advertising Standards Authority for making false claims in their advertising.  For me this tarnished their reputation a little, but who knows maybe the experience will help them get back on track.

Contact : Sean Rimmer

Pure2o
www.pure2o.co.uk
A wiltshire based company that uses the same crash-tested chassis as Ionic Systems.  I personally have had dealings with pure2o and would recommend them to anyone.  They do a good range of systems, from "DIY" parts to complete systems.  They also promise to beat any like-for-like quote, which is nice.

Contact : Carl Stacey

Aqua-Tec
www.window-tools.com
Peter Fogwill who runs this business is famed for his helpfulness and good advice.  His systems range from a 50 Litre trolley system to a full Van mounted system.  Also there is a trailer system which I particularly like the look of.  Many people have written reviews on his products, have a look at them.  One comment that does come up occasionally, Peter can be difficult to get in contact with.

Contact : Peter Fogwill

Skypole
www.skypole.com
A newcommer to the WFP market, Skypole's website boasts "one of the biggest ranges of pure water cleaning systems available in the world".  If I were them I'd get that off there double-quick before they are ordered to by the ASA.  (Not so long ago another supplier made a similar claim and the ASA ordered them to remove it)  Not much is known about their systems as they are so new.

Contact : Stuart Kimish

APS Purewash
www.apspurewashsystems.com
APS do a very nifty trolley system, a relative newcommer to the WFP market.

Contact : Andy Shearman

Outreach Systems
[no website]
A WFP company, I had a look at their latest systems at the Windex exhibition.

Stream
http://www.streamsupplies.net
Stream's systems look reasonable, though I've yet to hear from any of their customers.  I have reservations about the van tank's anchorage methods.

In addition to these suppliers, many suppliers of conventional window cleaning equipment are trying to put systems together in a rather desperate attempt to compete.  Though these will be cheap, I would tread carefully.  It is very much the case that you get what you pay for, and the safety of a van mounted tankis a very serious issue.

Also, I would recommend going to The British Window Cleaning Academy's water-fed-pole course.  Its excellent!

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

Ian Rochester

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Re: WFP HELP!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 01:07:47 pm »
I would also add CLEANTECH to that list @ www.cleantech.co.uk