[Jeff Brimble]

What temp ?

[NWH]

What`s the point in selling a hot water system for cold winter months then,that`s the marketing strategy they use.LOL if it`s to cold outside ie freezing you can`t use it as it will crack glass,did you pay 10-12k for a luke warm water system.It would be far more effective in warmer weather as you can use hotter water.I can get the water in my tank lukewarm by doing 20 miles on the way to work with the heater flat out.

[NWH]

I`m not against hot systems i myself want one,what i`m saying is can you use it when it`s cold mornings without worry of damage to windows if so how hot can you go.Can you give me a better low down on the price for one in real terms i`m not talking about what they tell you on the phone,and do you see a better-quicker result on regular cleans aswell,what i meant was why buy it if it can`t be used on cold mornings.

[Village Gleam]

Luke warm does a great job. The hose behaves likes it's summer, the whole experience is pleasanter, easier on your part and requires less effort.

How edd (vedd) cracks glass I don't know. My heat loss through the hose is massive. That's the problem I'm currently working on.

[NWH]

Can you use minibore-microbore with hot or do you have to use normal hosepipe diameter.

[Jeff Brimble]

Using 30m of Algarde silicon micro bore and  water at 38 degrees,  the temp. will drop by approx 10 degrees at an air temp. of 4 degrees C, maybe a shorter hose will lose less.

[Village Gleam]

I use minibore.(100)m
I beleive (but don't know) that Vedd uses1/2 ionics hot hose. This must be what get's it to the glass so very hot.

From boiler to reel I have (after a couple of hours at pirtek) put 212c rated 9 bar heater hose on. Previously I used garden hose. After two weeks of use there was a pressure rupture, hence my switch. The heat loss out of this is massive(it;s black) and I am going to insulate it.

[Jeff Brimble]

Do the carpet cleaning guys use insulated hoses and how ? Big reel ?

[Village Gleam]

On another thread Alex said he would look into asking a hose supplier.

Pirtek don't know of anything.

[windowwashers]

Luke warm does a great job. The hose behaves likes it's summer, the whole experience is pleasanter, easier on your part and requires less effort.

How edd (vedd) cracks glass I don't know. My heat loss through the hose is massive. That's the problem I'm currently working on.

Mr solubility, try this test, get a glass and put it in the freezer, boil kettle and pour some water in bowl, take glass out of freezer when very cold and place in very hot water, lot of the time this glass will break. and at this time of year glass is very cold

[Village Gleam]

Any suggestions about the insulation (boiler to reel). Ordinary pipe lagging, silver tape, silver paper?
I think this is a big heat loss and a seperate issue to the hose on the reel.


Someone should invent a diy forum where we can get all these answers.

[edd]

peterf NO its the heat exchanger the header tank is the big black one with 2
 brass drain plugs in in the top left of machine
hot water cycles through the heat exchanger and into the header tank and the cold water goes through the heat exchanger and comes out bloody hot then into the thermostate to regulate the temp to what I what

[Wayne Thomas]

I insulate the hose from tank to hosereel with reflective silver foil bubble wrap type tape.
I,ve also insulated the hosereel with silver reflective bubble wrap so that the hose that is wound onto the hosereel does not lose any heat.
All I would like for Xmas is Gardiner pole systems to say that they've spoke with their supplier of minibore hose and that they can manufacture minibore hose with 1 or 2 silver reflective layers to retain the heat that passes through their hose and that it can be on sale to us hot WFP users before the winter ends

[windowwashers]

Any suggestions about the insulation (boiler to reel). Ordinary pipe lagging, silver tape, silver paper?
I think this is a big heat loss and a seperate issue to the hose on the reel.


Someone should invent a diy forum where we can get all these answers.

B&Q does the foil bubbles wrap insutation it is thin but very good for heat loss, I have some to put on my houses in the van.

[Wayne Thomas]

Luke warm does a great job. The hose behaves likes it's summer, the whole experience is pleasanter, easier on your part and requires less effort.

How edd (vedd) cracks glass I don't know. My heat loss through the hose is massive. That's the problem I'm currently working on.

Mr solubility, try this test, get a glass and put it in the freezer, boil kettle and pour some water in bowl, take glass out of freezer when very cold and place in very hot water, lot of the time this glass will break. and at this time of year glass is very cold

Last year I left a pole resting against a bedroom window sill and drove home. Customer phoned to say my brush was where I left it, so I arranged to collect it the following morning. When I got there my pole had actually frozen to the window sill and I had to get a ladder and a kettle of hot water just to remove it from the window sill. Took a good hour thawing in the sun before I could use it again.

Hot water on glass can crack glass because of the thermo shock.

When cold WFP users are waiting for the day to warm up because they can't get the water to go through the hose that goes up through their WFpoles (because it has frozen), the hot WFP users can continue to work using tepid to warm water without the hassles.

[Jeff Brimble]

Hot water on glass can crack glass because of the thermo shock.

When cold WFP users are waiting for the day to warm up because they can't get the water to go through the hose that goes up through their WFpoles (because it has frozen), the hot WFP users can continue to work using tepid to warm water without the hassles.

Glass pane @ zero, tepid water at 20 degrees max to avoid shock, does it actually clean any better than cold water though ?

[NWH]

Don`t get me wrong wayne i do want a hot system and i understand where your coming from but i didn`t have any days off last year because it was to cold to work,i want to know the cleaning advantages ie quicker than cold in general and is it quicker on regular cleans.I`m not interested in gimmicks i want it to earn me money.

[Wayne Thomas]

I can't give you the technical answer as to why hot water cleans windows better than cold.
All I know is that it is easier to remove grease and oils from Sunday cooking utensils, roasting trays, etc in the washing up bowl using hot rather than cold water with the help of some fairy liquid or whatever else one chooses to use.
Perhaps it has something to do with water expanding when it's hot and being less dense.

[Jeff Brimble]

Grease in the washing up bowl is removed softened by the chemical not the fact that its warm.

[Wayne Thomas]

Forgety the gimmicks of hot water to cold. Does it do a better job, etc. Yes it cleans windows quicker without a doubt. Is it easier to do an initial clean on a house with really filthy glass and frames - DEFINITELY and quicker.