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Peter Fogwill

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 06:16:56 pm »
Thanks for that I had a look on a sheet I had but it only had a storage temp and nothing about the temp of water you can put through it.

Now on that link it has an operating temp of 100c for Non-Regenerable Bed.  I take it this means if the resin is not going to be regenerated then 100c can be put through it.  Even though at 60c, then that is still hot water.

Peter

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 06:38:59 pm »
Most of Purolite MB400 which we buy for window cleaning is regenerated, when it is regenerated then 60c is max. When it is pure virgin the 100c is max.

Best have a word with the manufacturing company direct to find out the true impact.

When I spoke to Thermax and I was worrying about temp etc.. they informed me if it reaches a certain temp then the resin cracks. The same can be said about freezing temp when you leave your di vessle in the van, this has an impact on your resin as well.

NWH

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 06:45:35 pm »
I was told that the resin we use for WC is the cast off`s that companys use for purifying at a much greater level,companys that are looking for readings in parts per billions not parts per million.I`m sure someone out there will tell me what i mean LOL,that being the case in real terms it`s worth peanuts,a bit like JD`S workers LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 06:49:05 pm »
The phrase is regenerated which is resin used normally by power stations etc.. and then regenerated which some use for window cleaning. This will not give the same result as virgin which is pure and has not been used before.

NWH

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 06:51:59 pm »
That`s it,virgin that`s what i was looking for.I havn`t used that word for sometime now,you don`t know where i can find one do you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Re: Hot water system
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2007, 06:59:23 pm »
The phrase is regenerated which is resin used normally by power stations etc.. and then regenerated which some use for window cleaning. This will not give the same result as virgin which is pure and has not been used before.
I got a power station about 5 miles away from me, will have to ask someone about it, couple of bag and I will use more of there power  ;D to use it, you think they would go for it ?

edd

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2007, 08:02:37 pm »
well like peter we have used 40 degrees water through the resin and it seems
to last a year nearly in a 25 litre vessel eerhh!! so whats the problem and 25 degrees in the winter months!!!
We use 500/600 litres a day 5 days a week

edd

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2007, 08:06:01 pm »
ps windowwashers look on tinternet for webasto and buy direct about £995.00

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2007, 08:25:22 pm »
Vedd, 40c is within spec so will have no effect, it is when you go above the max spec then you may well have probs.


Re: Hot water system
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2007, 08:50:46 pm »
ps windowwashers look on tinternet for webasto and buy direct about £995.00
Hi V8edd, cheers for that, by that comment you must be from up north somewhere, anyway.
what one is the one to get there seems to be quite a few on there  :-\

edd

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2007, 09:40:23 pm »
this is an old pic of my own customised thermopure creation I would recommend the Webasto thermo 90 s

NWH

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2007, 10:50:31 pm »
Nice system Vedd but you may as well have got a DIY setup in the first place with a retro fit hot add on for £2500 from omnipole.

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2007, 11:01:39 pm »
Most of Purolite MB400 which we buy for window cleaning is regenerated, when it is regenerated then 60c is max. When it is pure virgin the 100c is max.

Best have a word with the manufacturing company direct to find out the true impact.

When I spoke to Thermax and I was worrying about temp etc.. they informed me if it reaches a certain temp then the resin cracks. The same can be said about freezing temp when you leave your di vessle in the van, this has an impact on your resin as well.

It looks to me that Non-Regenerable means that it can't be reused, not that it has been reused.  I would take that to mean if you are going to regenerate the resin then 60c is the maximum heat the water can be, and if you have no intention of regenerating it then 100c would be the maximum heat the water can be.  I would think according to the spec sheet that you could actually put boiling water through the DI if you had no intention of regenerating the resin afterwards.

If the above is correct and what you heard was correct the water between 60c-100c may indeed crack or split the resin into smaller particles with no ill effect on the resin while in use.  But may be detrimental to the resin should you try to regenerate it.

Peter

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2007, 03:15:26 pm »
v8edd, is that a header tank in the picture, the thing at the front with the blue and grey pipe going in?

Peter

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2007, 06:45:55 pm »
Question for the hot water users.  I can see the benefit of hot water and am seriously considering moding my system to take hot water when I eventually get a different van. 

Would putting a fish tank heater in my static tank to heat the water over night be okay?  So I would pump warm water into my van tank.  And what temperature would you recommend?

Simon.

NWH

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Re: Hot water system
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2007, 06:52:37 pm »
I would say it would be better in the summer when you can use the water as hot as you like on the windows without fear of cracking them,if your going to use a hot system you might as well have the water hot as and when you can ie not freezing cold mornings as it will break the glass.In the winter months if it`s to cold you can`t use it to hot anyway can you?.

Re: Hot water system
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2007, 06:54:51 pm »
Question for the hot water users.  I can see the benefit of hot water and am seriously considering moding my system to take hot water when I eventually get a different van. 

Would putting a fish tank heater in my static tank to heat the water over night be okay?  So I would pump warm water into my van tank.  And what temperature would you recommend?

Simon.
Cant see a fish tank heater doing anything to the water, if it did it would kill fish wouldnt it. would have to be a very big heater though  :-\

Re: Hot water system
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2007, 07:31:37 pm »
No, the heat loss is too great.
NWH, what a stupid reply.
In really cold weather my current system does only reach the glass luke warm.