[Sanity]

If there is enough water for millions of immigrants there is enough for me to work.

As for me, i will work.

Amen to that!!!

[Moderator David@stives]

Just to let you all know the APWC is working on this matter and will report back soon.

[colley614]

I'm not stopping using water and its that simple. If the council want to come round and try saying anything I will point him to the stream in my back garden thats been flowing for decades and never fixed although reported on numerous occasions.

[Ian_Giles]

To be honest I have thought in the past that pressure may be put on WFP users during drought conditions here in the South east where I live.

They do use an awful lot of water.

Last year I wasn't allowed to fill up my swimming pool during the hosepipe ban so I did it early this year and managed to go in it about 3 or 4 times due to the rotten weather and so much rain. 

Actually Neil, we don't use that much water at all.
 You may feel as if yo uare using gallons and gallons of water, on average it takes 3000 litres of tap water to produce 1000 litres of pure water (yes, I know there are systems out there far more efficient than that, but most don't have the big expensive systems).
But on average, judging by the majority of replies I've seen on the subject on here, most of us use about 300 litres of pure per day.
So lets say that is a total water consumption of approx 1000 litres per day, so roughly 5000 litres per week.
Not counting the big cities, in an average sized town of....what...15-20,000 people? There may be 20 window cleaners, if 15 of them are now WFP (doubtful) thats about 75,000 litres per week....
Phew...doesn't that sound like a lot of water??
Compare that to a brewery, a car manufacturer, a soft drinks producer and just about any large factory and its just a drop in the ocean (pun intended ) they will go though millions of litres per day.
Hopefully this will be aimed at domestic use, but I've got my doubts on that, but even one single household that is watering the garden overnight with a sprinkler will go through at least double the 5000 litres that our Mr average WFP'er will go through in a full week!

So you have to try and take WFP water use in context...we really don't make much difference at all, not that the authorities will take any notice of that though will they??

Ian

[Sir Squeaky]

Actually I get my water off Ian, so for every 1000 litres I use, he wastes 2000L.

Can't blame me.

[windowwashers]

To be honest I have thought in the past that pressure may be put on WFP users during drought conditions here in the South east where I live.

They do use an awful lot of water.

Last year I wasn't allowed to fill up my swimming pool during the hosepipe ban so I did it early this year and managed to go in it about 3 or 4 times due to the rotten weather and so much rain. 

Actually Neil, we don't use that much water at all.
 You may feel as if yo uare using gallons and gallons of water, on average it takes 3000 litres of tap water to produce 1000 litres of pure water (yes, I know there are systems out there far more efficient than that, but most don't have the big expensive systems).
But on average, judging by the majority of replies I've seen on the subject on here, most of us use about 300 litres of pure per day.
So lets say that is a total water consumption of approx 1000 litres per day, so roughly 5000 litres per week.
Not counting the big cities, in an average sized town of....what...15-20,000 people? There may be 20 window cleaners, if 15 of them are now WFP (doubtful) thats about 75,000 litres per week....
Phew...doesn't that sound like a lot of water??
Compare that to a brewery, a car manufacturer, a soft drinks producer and just about any large factory and its just a drop in the ocean (pun intended ) they will go though millions of litres per day.
Hopefully this will be aimed at domestic use, but I've got my doubts on that, but even one single household that is watering the garden overnight with a sprinkler will go through at least double the 5000 litres that our Mr average WFP'er will go through in a full week!

So you have to try and take WFP water use in context...we really don't make much difference at all, not that the authorities will take any notice of that though will they??

Ian

Many good points there Ian,

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

If a ban did happen then the wfpers that had been trad would be inconvenianced but still able to work. What about those who have never done trad though. With the weather the way it is though I wonder if it will ever be an issue.

Simon.

[Sir Squeaky]

If a ban did happen then the wfpers that had been trad would be inconvenianced but still able to work. What about those who have never done trad though.

No sympathy! Better get learning fast!

It's the core of window cleaning, there's no excuse not to know how to do it.

[Simply Clean Windows]

Hi everyone,
I have just read the proposed changes for the hosepipe ban,it does outline window cleaning,but the government said in its summary that there can be concessions made by the water companies when it comes to small businesses and sole traders,so it is not all doom and gloom.
Malcolm

[Alistair@AWC]

That a bit out of order Squeaky

Why is it the core of window cleaning? I thought the core of window cleaning was to clean windows!

My excuse for not knowing how to do it is because ive never needed to

[Russell Macdonald]

If a ban did happen then the wfpers that had been trad would be inconvenianced but still able to work. What about those who have never done trad though.

No sympathy! Better get learning fast!

It's the core of window cleaning, there's no excuse not to know how to do it.

Spot on Rog.

Trad cleaning is a must.

If a ban did happen then the wfpers that had been trad would be inconvenianced but still able to work.

Simon.

Wrong, one of my main concerns was my safety. I have spent all my life on ladders & consider myslf lucky that with the falls i had on ladders only resulted in bruises. No pen pusher is going to tell me i've got to revert to ladders when i've invested in a safe option.

Macc

[rugby]

If a ban did happen then the wfpers that had been trad would be inconvenianced but still able to work. What about those who have never done trad though.

No sympathy! Better get learning fast!

It's the core of window cleaning, there's no excuse not to know how to do it.

WFP is fast becoming the core of window cleaning,trad will soon be thought of as a just a back up skill for those who do the odd inside clean.its funny how some in our trade come across as so self important just because they were trad first before changing over to the better way "WFP" and if it isnt better why did they change over to it? they changed because they can earn more in a safer way and do an all round better job.

and before you ask squeeks i did start out trad,like an old antique my squeegy comes out now and again but christ i wouldnt want to have to do all my work useing the bloody thing again.

[windowwashers]

If a ban did happen then the wfpers that had been trad would be inconvenianced but still able to work. What about those who have never done trad though.

No sympathy! Better get learning fast!

It's the core of window cleaning, there's no excuse not to know how to do it.

Think he meant it was. I started trad and been wfp since thursday last week, all window cleaners that use wfp should learn the trad way as INO is is plain foolish if you dont. Please dont get on my back about it, this is just my opinion on window cleaning, window cleaning now uses both and both should be used where needed 

[tacky]

trad or wfp who cares . we are all brothers in arms . any way who is selling wfp water in south wales ,it s just im trad at moment .i have bought backpack .n due to problems. u dont want to here about.i could do with some water untill i set up my di system.many thanks tacky in ebbw vale

[dai]

There is no end to all this new legislation. Are all these legislators on a bonus system? I'll tell you what it is, a bloody stealth tax. A local guy was fined £60 last week for smoking in his delivery van whilst taking a break. He was booked by a dog warden. His ticket read dog fouling, he still had to pay. If you are a mum on the school run, you can smoke to your hearts content with the kids in the back. A Woman was fined for parking an inch outside the lines on a nearly empty car park.
A guy who works for the council told me, that their bosses had told them to look out for anyone throwing a cigarette out of their car, and to take down their numbers.
So it's OK to write down registration numbers when your driving, but touch that mobile phone and you get another fine.
Put your rubbish out on the wrong day, another bloody fine.
 Is it any wonder that people are losing respect for the law?
Even if you were using rain water to clean windows [and some do] They wouldn't believe you.
It will soon be time to remember Guy Fawkes. The only person ever, to enter the houses of parliament with truly honorable intentions. Dai

[Village Gleam]

It was clear at the consultation stage that we were going to be included. You just have to accept it. A couple of points though.

1. Our hose's aren't connected up to a mains supply.

2. The harvesting of or use of grey water would  fall outside the scope of any the ban

3. We would only be affected in the event of a ban. There is unlikely to be one next year, but it's possible with climate change that they will start happening more often. That means we have time to plan now.

For the benefit of Squeaks harvested rain water is classed as grey, as is used bathwater.

[Sir Squeaky]

2. The harvesting of or use of grey water falls outside the scope of the ban

Bugger, I use the see-through stuff.

[Paul Coleman]

Hi everyone,
I have just read the proposed changes for the hosepipe ban,it does outline window cleaning,but the government said in its summary that there can be concessions made by the water companies when it comes to small businesses and sole traders,so it is not all doom and gloom.
Malcolm

The problem would seem to be that a hosepipe ban could be enough to trigger a WFP ban whereas before it required a drought order.  A hosepipe ban can be implemented without a public hearing whereas a drought order requires one.  Potentially WFP could be banned behind locked doors without us being able to get a word in.  If you legislate to stop people having a say, they tend to try and grab a bigger say in a more haphazard manner.  If lorry drivers can clog up the London streets, I reckon there would be enough window cleaning vans to do so as well.  Hopefully it will never come to it.

[Terry_Burrows]

Squeaky I agree with you Trad is and still be the core of window cleaning,if you never learned it get going,if you want a water broom thats an easy way ,window brushers any one can use a water broom,now you have more window cleaners start up as a result less work to go round everyone gets squeezed ::)the winners are the people that make water brooms what happens as its soon going to be saturated all you need is one bad dude of a water ban it might be sooner than you think

[steve m]

instead of arguing about wfp and trad, think about the actuall issue. The article on the news yesterday morning said window cleaning, not wfp. It may say with hose pipe, but does that mean you can fill a jacuzzi with a bowel, NO. They will ban it TOTAL. If you want to squabble amongst yourselves then go ahead, me personally, I'm gonna try and work a way round it.