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henryroberts

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2007, 02:34:12 pm »
first you  have 2 part with some cash and buy a small round work is always 4 sale in my local window cleaning suppliers[bradford ladders] and if you do a good job  you will always pick up more work as 4 new estastes its  up 4 grabs

davids3511

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2007, 02:34:28 pm »
@ andyp

If the round that you purchased was protected like you would like it to be, IE nobody allowed to canvass or leaflet, it would have cost you a well of alot more than whatever you paid for it. Look how the mobile phone operators nearly bankrupted themselves for exclsuive 3g licenses.

davids3511

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2007, 02:36:35 pm »
thats grand once you have another form of income and no mortgage or children but isn't going to work if you need to be up and running quickly.

As for your new estates comment, I guess you totally missed my point.

john tomkins

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2007, 02:38:14 pm »
Best thing is to paint a big "X" on the front doors of your customers then we'll all know where not to canvas.

Really,,,,,,what crap some folks spout ::)

davids3511

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2007, 02:39:03 pm »
That's a good point about the local window cleaning suppliers though. Anybody know who the local supplier is in cheshire/manchester? I purchase everything ove rthe internet so don't know.


J. Deans

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2007, 03:08:35 pm »
What about using that doorknockers firm?
Pay them to build you a round.
Slip em a few extra quid and tell em to 'bash up' and steal the gear of any Wc's they come across on their travels.
That should clear the way for you.
Alert all the local dentists in the area first though!

Just joking!

No offence, but Wc's in general, are not known for their intelectual prowess. Window cleaning is a male dominated sport, so you should expect a bit of testosterone to fly around every now and then. How else can they get their opinion across?

"Uugh!...front teeth... Uugh!" Is perfectly understandable to me.
It means. "Hi there, how are you doing? I see you have found the area I normally work. Please don't offer to clean the local dentists window, I normally do that and I know him very well!"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if they cannot communicate it in the most eloquent of fashions...

andyp

  • Posts: 108
Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2007, 04:07:10 pm »


If the round that you purchased was protected like you would like it to be, IE nobody allowed to canvass or leaflet, it would have cost you a well of alot more than whatever you paid for it. Look how the mobile phone operators nearly bankrupted themselves for exclsuive 3g licenses.
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the rounds i have are all really compact every street i do at the most there will be 4/5 houses i dont clean and i have a big round not going into figures tho.

the work i do has been cleaned for the last 20year by the same people before i took over and are really really good customers but ive only had my newest cus about 1and a half years

im the only windowcleaner in the area thats why im abit funny about stuff like this and its my living at the end of the day.this is why i always make the lads do a good job because i dont want another windowcleaner in the same area as me if someone gets in you never know whats going to happen plus you dont need the stress

Neil_A

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2007, 04:12:42 pm »
What area do you live in andyp :) i have a few leaflets spare  :D
GRADE 'A'

andyp

  • Posts: 108
Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2007, 04:17:29 pm »

What area do you live in andyp :) i have a few leaflets spare  :D
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ha ha LIKE IT

 top secret ;D

done like saying stuff on here because you dont know whos who :-X

williamx

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2007, 07:00:20 pm »
everybodys got different ways of looking at some firm windowcleaner coming onto "there patch" i bought my round and build it up putting alot of unpaid work in i.e pricing jobs etc thats personally why i dont like it.

ive have canvassed a couple of times on new houses and when i knock i would say do you want your windowscleaned blah blah and if there said ive already got one id say ok thanks for your time.dont mind that but when people undercut aaaaarrrrrrrrrr

question:why would you want to canvass an area/street/house knowing that its already getting cleaned?

no silly answers

Andyp

I clean in various parts of Birmingham, does this mean that I own the rights to be the only cleaner in Birmingham.

I did not buy my way into window cleaning, instead I have used hard graft by knocking doors- advertisng and finding good and bad customers, I now have a decent amount of customers who I don't own, if some other cleaner comes onto the area who offers a better service for the price and he gets the job, then I only myself to blame.

Wrekin C S

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2007, 07:11:17 pm »
So should I knock his door or not? I gonna leaflet estate anyway surley he dosn''t clean every one on the estate, just thought it would be proffesional of me to give him a knock - and you never know his round might be full - he might pass on some work - it could go either way I suppose he's either gonna be nice or tell me to clear off!

Andy

williamx

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2007, 07:22:43 pm »
So should I knock his door or not? I gonna leaflet estate anyway surley he dosn''t clean every one on the estate, just thought it would be proffesional of me to give him a knock - and you never know his round might be full - he might pass on some work - it could go either way I suppose he's either gonna be nice or tell me to clear off!

Andy

Andy

No I don't think you should knock his door, its like you are asking permission to work his "area".

Instead carry on working and if you meet on the street, then you can indroduce yourself as the new cleaner on the block.

99.99% of cleaners will not mind, the other 0.01% don't really register.

Wrekin C S

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2007, 07:33:39 pm »
So should I knock his door or not? I gonna leaflet estate anyway surley he dosn''t clean every one on the estate, just thought it would be proffesional of me to give him a knock - and you never know his round might be full - he might pass on some work - it could go either way I suppose he's either gonna be nice or tell me to clear off!

Andy

Andy

No I don't think you should knock his door, its like you are asking permission to work his "area".

Instead carry on working and if you meet on the street, then you can indroduce yourself as the new cleaner on the block.


99.99% of cleaners will not mind, the other 0.01% don't really register.

Thats a good point - I never thought of it that way  ;)

williamx

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2007, 07:45:00 pm »
So should I knock his door or not? I gonna leaflet estate anyway surley he dosn''t clean every one on the estate, just thought it would be proffesional of me to give him a knock - and you never know his round might be full - he might pass on some work - it could go either way I suppose he's either gonna be nice or tell me to clear off!

Andy

Andy

No I don't think you should knock his door, its like you are asking permission to work his "area".

Instead carry on working and if you meet on the street, then you can indroduce yourself as the new cleaner on the block.


99.99% of cleaners will not mind, the other 0.01% don't really register.

Thats a good point - I never thought of it that way  ;)

Thats was my good point.

I was first to use it and I own the copyright to it.

Nobody is allowed to use this.

as its mine mine mine mine mine, my Precious is mine ;D ;D

Wrekin C S

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2007, 07:46:43 pm »
lol

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2007, 07:56:15 pm »
So should I knock his door or not? I gonna leaflet estate anyway surley he dosn''t clean every one on the estate, just thought it would be proffesional of me to give him a knock - and you never know his round might be full - he might pass on some work - it could go either way I suppose he's either gonna be nice or tell me to clear off!

Andy

Andy

No I don't think you should knock his door, its like you are asking permission to work his "area".

Instead carry on working and if you meet on the street, then you can indroduce yourself as the new cleaner on the block.


99.99% of cleaners will not mind, the other 0.01% don't really register.

Thats a good point - I never thought of it that way  ;)

Thats was my good point.

I was first to use it and I own the copyright to it.

Nobody is allowed to use this.

as its mine mine mine mine mine, my Precious is mine ;D ;D
Myyyyyyy Prescious lol nice one.


andyp

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2007, 09:06:23 pm »
williamx read my last post then you may get abit more info about my work

right one more question:how many of yous on here have a really compact round and by really compact i mean next door next door next door and so on then when you get to the end of that street you start the next street not just a handful of houses in a street then a 5min drive and a couple more?

J. Deans

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2007, 01:14:29 am »
As I said...

mark dew

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Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2007, 01:55:17 am »
Great thread even though a bit frustrating at times.   ;D
If you are the only cleaner in an area then you are very much the exception. It's only a matter of time before that will change. But you ain't never gonna keep hold of it through fear, that's for certain. You will keep hold of it by giving a good sevice.
As for this unwritten rules lark, these people are peeing in the wind. Times are changing. I agree it is bad form to knowingly chase another cleaners work. But how will they know?
I'm sure i've picked up work off other cleaners but i've declined to quote on a good 20 or so jobs cos they've told me about their other cleaner at the time. A couple of times i've put in really high quotes (i think) and been declined after they've come round from fainting. Then comes "my old wc only charged..." heeheehee
If someone had pinched your work for a higher price they have really done you a favour, by pushing prices up. You've just got to capitalise on it.
I would like it if new kids on the block are banned 'cos i could if i wanted do a crap job in half the time i do now, charge double and still have people wanting to see me. Happy days!! ;D That has never nor will it ever happen. Some people need to wake up.
There has to be some realism about our situation.
We can never stop new people coming into the trade.
We might think we're tough cos we've got a bit of muscle on us now but we can't fight everyone for daring to do the same as us. Hypocrisy.
We can't expect to do a crap job and know it will continue forever.
We can't force the public to use us instead of another.
We don't OWN an area. Gangsters we ain't.
Cos we bought a round off joe scrim 30 years ago doesn't mean we can expect to keep them, cos he told us he made an agreement with billy soap over a pint of mead when they were fighting in the trenches.
We do have the right to be peed off if someone is coming in and driving down prices. Everyone loses that way.
We can limit any damage to our round by doing a good job regularly. Price doesn't seem to come into it if people are happy with our service.
We will never stop new people coming into the game.
We can protect ourselves better by helping new wc out by offering pricing advice and passing over any work we don't want or can't do.
In fact that's all we can do. Keep the prices stable or on the up then it is down to service.
It's been a real good thread this and fair play to everyone for not getting offended.


williamx

Re: Why do I keep getting threatned?
« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2007, 10:20:43 am »

question:why would you want to canvass an area/street/house knowing that its already getting cleaned?

no silly answers

I have been cleaning 2 customers houses in one road who saw my advert in the paper and called me, I priced the job which was more than their other cleaner and got the job.

This road has about 60 to 70 houses on it and I was surprised that these 2 ladys didn't have a cleaner, they replied that they sacked their previous cleaner because his work was shoddy and when they pulled him up about it he then threaten and verbally abused them, I decided not to canvass the estate.

Now 2 weeks ago I turn up and clean these 2 ladys and the next night one phones me up with a list of 12 neighbours who want me as their cleaner, I went out last saturday and cleaned them all, they also used to employ this other cleaner, they all sacked him because of his behaver and shoddy workmanship.

I now intend to target the rest of the houses with leaflets and door to door canvassing, also all of the ladies are going to go around and reccomend me as well.

The reason I am going to target this cleaners work is the fact that he does a crap job and when its pointed out to him he has a temper tamtrum.