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Poll

Can you tell me your trading status please?

Sole Trader
66.7%
28 (66.7%)
Partnership
21.4%
9 (21.4%)
Limited Company
11.9%
5 (11.9%)
Single Person Limited Company

0 (0%)
Other - (please let me know what that is)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 42

Voting closed: October 29, 2004, 04:15:07 pm

WavieDavie

  • Posts: 951
Trading Status
« on: October 22, 2004, 04:15:07 pm »
Just recently I've been intrigued to see some folk indicate that they have Ltd Co status.

As Gordon Brown first dangled the carrot of £10,000 "tax-free" money for sole traders to incorporate, I could see why some might do this, but I believe that this has now been taken back.

Can you let me know your current status, and if you are a single person Ltd Co, your reasons for being so, and would you advise others to follow your lead.

Thanks in advance,

Davie

You're a Scottish window-cleaner? Licensed or not, get yourself along to www.slwcn.org right now !

Davie Park
Dalzell Window Cleaning Service - Edinburgh www.windowscleaner.co.uk

SteveTruman

  • Posts: 148
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2004, 06:45:07 pm »
Hey up Davie, the only reason i am a partnership is the little extra tax relief i get by paying the better half a minimal wage, only problem is she pays more paye through her work, but me thinks by paying the 3500k a yr which is allowed reduces my tax bill by in the region of some 700 Great British Pounds and  the better halfs bill goes up by only about 300 so i reckon 400 is better off in my pocket than Mr. Browns.... But i have no physical working partners as such.. Are you a partner , sole or Ltd.

Steve

WavieDavie

  • Posts: 951
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2004, 10:58:48 pm »
Hi Steve,

You win the prize for first answer!

I've been Sole Trader (with two employees) for 21 years now. I looked at putting my wife through the books as an employee but would have to do some justifying after this length of time without her being "official". It might be worth looking at though, I believe the N.I. contributions would count towards her state pension - if it'll be worth anything by the time we need it! She's classed as self employed in her own right which might muddy the waters a bit - Ho Hum.

I take it that the two so far who have ticked Ltd Co have employees. Care to elaborate if you started off as Sole Trader and moved up, bought over a Ltd Co, or some other reason?
You're a Scottish window-cleaner? Licensed or not, get yourself along to www.slwcn.org right now !

Davie Park
Dalzell Window Cleaning Service - Edinburgh www.windowscleaner.co.uk

simonb

Re: Trading Status
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2004, 11:34:40 am »
Get your wife to do the banking, file your receipts, go to the post office and that'll do. Thats what I do

Timmy Boy

  • Posts: 431
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2004, 05:31:59 pm »
Hi
I went limited because of the tax resons, my misses is company sec and she earns 390 per month (no tax & ni!). I then take my wages as dividends (out of the profits). You can then earn up to 30k on the lesser tax (I think its 17%). I then avoid the whole 40% tax. The next move when I reach 30K will be to pay my wife in dividends BUT BE WARNED I have seen that the Inland revenue are clamping down on people who pay their spouses dividends that do not contribute to the business. I hope this helps.
Regards

Tim

martin19842

  • Posts: 1945
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2004, 11:10:26 pm »
i am in a partnership at the present time, but considering going LTD CO.

reasons,

1) can offset CIS deductions against monthly PAYE returns.

2) can reduce monthly salary take the rest as divis, as already stated.

3) the LTD co as its own legal entity will be able to source vehicles etc in the ltd co name therefore creating its own D and B rating.  Not much use early on, but as time goes by there can be benefits to that.

regards

martin

MR WHEELIE CLEAN

  • Posts: 21
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2004, 07:26:08 pm »
I used to work in accountancy and after lots of uming and ering I started my business as a sole trader rather than a Limited company.

The benefits of limited versus sole trader are very confusing even for someone like myself.

Gordon Brown had made it more attractive to be a Limited Company rather than a sole trader as you were able to control your own income and therefore manipulate your tax liability.  By making the first 10,000 profit at 0% tax is clearly a big benefit worth either 2,200 or 4,000 pounds in tax depending upon your individual position.

You could then take profits in the form of dividends which attracted the lowest tax rate of 10% until your dividend took you into the higher rate tax band i.e 40%. Also you would not be liable to NI on the dividend payment. Clearly this represents a huge tax saving if you are making large profits or are a large sharholder investor.

Consequently every man and his dog were changing from sole trader to limited and naturally Gordon realised that the loophole he had created to save tax for the elite shareholders of this world was actually benefitting hard working sole traders aswell. Therefore Gordon is now gradually closing the loophole he has created and eroding the benefits of limited. I believe the 10,000 at 0% has now gone.

Hence I decided to start as sole trader as it is my belief that the benefits of limited will continue to be eroded. Also there are more annual declarations and company books/registers to be kept for a limited company. At the early stages of my business it does not seem worth going limited. I can quite easily go limited later but I understand that it is a lot more difficult to go the other way i.e to a sole trader.

However should my profits continue to rise I shall go limited due to the other benefits of limited. You can effectively decide to leave profits in the company rather than take them out. Once profits have been taken out as a dividend they are taxable. By leaving the profits in the company you can reduce your tax liability in a good profitable year by taking more dividend in a later less profitable year - you can not do this as a sole trader unless you spend the profit on expenditure before your year end, which is effectively reducing your profit. Therefore it is easier to manipulate your overall income in a limited company, which can be good for any means-tested grants/child support agency assessments/tax credits etc etc.

As you can see the whole subject is very complicated and depends greatly on your own personal circumstances and your business profitability.

Gordon will inevitably keep tinkering with the tax situation.

I may have got some of my understanding of this wrong and would suggest that on a forum like this everyone will have bits of the puzzle but not the whole picture and therfore I would always suggest consulting with a Tax Specialist/Accountant who should be up todate with the latest legislation before deciding which trading status to adopt.

hope this helps but bet it dosn't  :-\
regards,
Nev.
bye from Nev @ MR W C

Geordieboy

  • Posts: 3
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2004, 02:20:36 pm »
Limited Company

Central Window Cleaners

  • Posts: 845
Re: Trading Status
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 04:13:48 pm »
We are a Limited company.