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ok cleaning

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here they come
« on: September 13, 2007, 09:44:37 pm »
hi everyone i have seen the first polish window cleaners in my town today{camberley surrey} i think it is gonna be very competetive in very new future have you spotted any yet?

Re: here they come
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 09:47:02 pm »
I've got one and he works for me, can't afford not to ;D

tacky

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Re: here they come
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 10:14:04 pm »
like the corner shops were taken over by the pakestanies .so our work will b taken over .we are doooooomed .but enjoy life while we can

matt

Re: here they come
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 10:20:39 pm »
some of us have had it good for a while, earning good money

i guess we will now have to earn a realistic wage for the unskilled job we do

no offence meant to any1

Moderator David@stives

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Re: here they come
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 10:31:13 pm »
Matt

The skill comes from making money from it. Anyone can do the job, but not many can hit the £50k plus mark.

I see it as a game and how to keep ahead of the competition, I now run the biggest window cleaning business in Penwith, not bad seen as i started with 1 big job and later bought a £100 a week round 9 years ago.

Dave

xxmattyxx

Re: here they come
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2007, 10:37:54 pm »
Isn't it bizarre to think we're all gonna be run out of town by Polish guys coming over here and swarming all over our houses/towns/hamlets and establishments?

I thought a couple of years ago they were doing all the electricians out of work in the UK, then it was the chippies, I see them down at the local councils recycling centre, but for gawds sake lets be realistic about it!

If theyre coming over here as is being made out by some on here to 'steal' our work then there wont be any poles left in Poland, and I just somehow dont think thats going to happen.


If they take your work then your doing something wrong.


matt

Re: here they come
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 10:38:01 pm »
dont get me worng dave, that is the skill

BUT

the Eastern europeans wont need that much of a skill, if they earn 60 quid a day they will be happy, 10 X (10 quid) houses at 6 quid each, they will think its great

im a little concearned about it to be honest, i would hope that 75% of my customers will stay with me ( honest, realable, do a good job )

i do think that it will drive prices down for the future though

matt

Re: here they come
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2007, 10:48:04 pm »


I thought a couple of years ago they were doing all the electricians out of work in the UK, then it was the chippies, I see them down at the local councils recycling centre

i guess you dont know any1 in the building game then, speak to them about it, they have taken work, they have driven down prices ( which to be fair be at a very silly high ) and they have made the building game a less inviting place for the youngsters ( who will be the future )


Re: here they come
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2007, 10:48:25 pm »
If theyre coming over here as is being made out by some on here to 'steal' our work then there wont be any poles left in Poland, and I just somehow dont think thats going to happen.

My guy tells me that over 3 million have left Poland in the last few years. This left a shortfall of possible workforce there pushing prices up! This has now been filled by immigrants from the ex USSR states forcing prices back down again.

If you have a strong customer base then you will be safe. Those who boast on here 9and other forums) about earning stupid amounts of quick money are the ones to be worried.

ok cleaning

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Re: here they come
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2007, 10:50:54 pm »
What the poles and others do is leave the family back at home {kids wife etc}come here live in a one bedroom flat with other ten people go fishing to local pond for breaky lunch dinner brougth his own car so no tax no insurance no mot no income tax no any other must have insurances and clean windows for afew £ do it for a few years than dissappear back to where they came from  and THAT IS NOT ON  NO NO AND NO

Re: here they come
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2007, 10:57:15 pm »
What the poles and others do is leave the family back at home {kids wife etc}come here live in a one bedroom flat with other ten people go fishing to local pond for breaky lunch dinner brougth his own car so no tax no insurance no mot no income tax no any other must have insurances and clean windows for afew £ do it for a few years than dissappear back to where they came from  and THAT IS NOT ON  NO NO AND NO

Simple: Report to HSE, IR etc and if all else fails play dirty ;D You know dirt ;D ;D

Moderator David@stives

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Re: here they come
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2007, 11:01:14 pm »
the average Polish guy only stays 1 year then goes back home to his wife and family.

We have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Recently i have picked up loads of work from a retired guy and heard all the tales of how bad he was, and everyone told me although he was bad they felt loyal to him and stuck with him, so if i couldnt nick his work while he was operating i doubt if any Polish guy could ever poach my work.

NWH

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Re: here they come
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 11:08:21 pm »
What kind of customers have you got,mine wouldn`t get rid of me for a polish worker or any other foreigner.They couldn`t care less about saving a few quid they`ve got to much money to worry.

cvdewsbury

Re: here they come
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 11:32:23 pm »
the average Polish guy only stays 1 year then goes back home to his wife and family.

We have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Recently i have picked up loads of work from a retired guy and heard all the tales of how bad he was, and everyone told me although he was bad they felt loyal to him and stuck with him, so if i couldnt nick his work while he was operating i doubt if any Polish guy could ever poach my work.
sure i ead a report the other day that the poles were not going home and that the polish government were having to bring in tradesmen from az a ba jang to cover the void.

Moderator David@stives

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Re: here they come
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 11:39:45 pm »
CRONEM
Centre for Research on Nationalism,
Ethnicity and Multiculturalism
University of Surrey
Guildford
Surrey GU2 7XH
Polish migrants survey results
Commissioned by the BBC Newsnight
Key findings:
�� Polish migrants demonstrate a highly complex set of migratory patterns reflecting the growing fluidity and ease of mobility within the European labour market. As shown below, migration patterns can be divided into three broad, numerically equal categories: seasonal migrants, long term settlers and undecided.
�� 22% of the respondents identified themselves as seasonal migrants and almost a third of respondents stated that they intended to stay less than two years in the UK. Seasonal workers and short term migrants tend to be young (aged below 24 years), with lower levels of education, are concentrated in big cities like London and work in construction or hospitality/catering industries.
�� However, around 30% do not know how long they will stay in the UK. This indicates that a relatively high proportion of recent migrants are adopting a ‘wait and see’ approach to the duration of their stay. Those aged between 24 and 34 were most likely to be found in this category. The remaining respondents were split relatively equally between staying 2-5 years, over 5 years and permanently.
�� 15% of respondents said they wanted to stay in the UK permanently.
�� 30% of respondents said that they intend to bring their families and children over or that their families are already in the UK. The highest
proportion was among the 35-45 age groups, followed by those in the 24-35 groups. However, a relatively high percentage (28%) did not answer the question but of those who did, just under 60% said that they do not intend to do bring their families over. Education or sector of employment does not seem to play a decisive role here.
�� Financial reasons and unemployment in Poland is the main factor driving people to migrate to the UK (mentioned by almost 60% of respondents). However, younger respondents and those with higher levels of education are more likely to stress non-financial motives like “easier to live in the UK” and “personal or professional development”.
�� Polish migrants are very happy with their reception by the British public. 90% of surveyed say that they have been received ‘well’ or ‘very well’ with only 10% stating that they have been received ‘badly’ or ‘very badly’. Those in the latter two categories were more likely to be older and male.
�� 64% of respondents declared that they had registered on the Workers Registration Scheme. People living in smaller towns were more likely to have registered, as were older workers and those intending to stay in the UK for longer periods.

Moderator David@stives

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Re: here they come
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2007, 11:40:41 pm »

mark dew

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Re: here they come
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2007, 11:42:04 pm »
CRONEM
Centre for Research on Nationalism,
Ethnicity and Multiculturalism
University of Surrey
Guildford
Surrey GU2 7XH
Polish migrants survey results
Commissioned by the BBC Newsnight
Key findings:
�� Polish migrants demonstrate a highly complex set of migratory patterns reflecting the growing fluidity and ease of mobility within the European labour market. As shown below, migration patterns can be divided into three broad, numerically equal categories: seasonal migrants, long term settlers and undecided.
�� 22% of the respondents identified themselves as seasonal migrants and almost a third of respondents stated that they intended to stay less than two years in the UK. Seasonal workers and short term migrants tend to be young (aged below 24 years), with lower levels of education, are concentrated in big cities like London and work in construction or hospitality/catering industries.
�� However, around 30% do not know how long they will stay in the UK. This indicates that a relatively high proportion of recent migrants are adopting a ‘wait and see’ approach to the duration of their stay. Those aged between 24 and 34 were most likely to be found in this category. The remaining respondents were split relatively equally between staying 2-5 years, over 5 years and permanently.
�� 15% of respondents said they wanted to stay in the UK permanently.
�� 30% of respondents said that they intend to bring their families and children over or that their families are already in the UK. The highest
proportion was among the 35-45 age groups, followed by those in the 24-35 groups. However, a relatively high percentage (28%) did not answer the question but of those who did, just under 60% said that they do not intend to do bring their families over. Education or sector of employment does not seem to play a decisive role here.
�� Financial reasons and unemployment in Poland is the main factor driving people to migrate to the UK (mentioned by almost 60% of respondents). However, younger respondents and those with higher levels of education are more likely to stress non-financial motives like “easier to live in the UK” and “personal or professional development”.
�� Polish migrants are very happy with their reception by the British public. 90% of surveyed say that they have been received ‘well’ or ‘very well’ with only 10% stating that they have been received ‘badly’ or ‘very badly’. Those in the latter two categories were more likely to be older and male.
�� 64% of respondents declared that they had registered on the Workers Registration Scheme. People living in smaller towns were more likely to have registered, as were older workers and those intending to stay in the UK for longer periods.

phewwwwww!!  ;D

Pat Purcell

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Re: here they come
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2007, 11:52:04 pm »
Dave , just to put those statistics in perspective, I moved to the US with the intention of staying 2 maybe 3 years at the most , that was 21 years ago ;)
Boston USA    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Cork Ireland

Moderator David@stives

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Re: here they come
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2007, 12:00:09 am »
Pat

well aint that Englands loss

Dave

mark dew

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Re: here they come
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2007, 12:04:30 am »
Dave , just to put those statistics in perspective, I moved to the US with the intention of staying 2 maybe 3 years at the most , that was 21 years ago ;)

i went to south korea (to earn very good money teaching english) for 6 months and stayed 4 years. It would be hypocritical of me to lay into any type of economic refugee because of this.
Can't blame someone for wanting to earn better money. ;)