[Moderator David@stives]

Is it not free ?

Has anyone here actually paid a subscription for this year ?

[NWH]

I havn`t paid again but i only got 3 issues for a years money.

[dai]

I didn't get half the ones I paid for last year. Dai

[Majestic]

I paid for another year at Windex ,I am not sure how many of them I have received .

[Moderator David@stives]

I am sure its free now , but dont hold me to it.

I havent got a copy, so if anyone gets a spare send one to me please , I will pay for postage.

Dave

[Neil Williams]

Is it not free ?

Don't know. But I did pay for last years service which is why I said great salemen. Last years was an ionics sales mag. But I believe this years is being subbed by ionics anyway.

[matt]

I am sure its free now , but dont hold me to it.

I havent got a copy, so if anyone gets a spare send one to me please , I will pay for postage.

Dave

dave, just go the ionics website and fill in the " send me a brochure" form

1. its allmost the same thing
2. they use your details for the mag anyway
3. its allmost the same thing

i know 1 and 3 are the same, but its such a major point, i felt it deserved it ( a old red dwarf joke thown in aswell, how good am i to you all )

[Moderator David@stives]

Matt

I have tried to subscribe a couple of times now , but have never been sent a copy.

[Pj]

Don't knock it too much guys, they won't bother sending them out free again if all they get is criticism.

It isn't really claiming to be anything other than a glossy advertising campaign for Ionics, made a little more interesting by one or two features. 

I wouldn't mind receiving something similar from all the big suppliers, something extra to browse through in the bathroom!

[Alex Gardiner]

Alex,

That is the problem opinions left out we all have them and that is it, your idea of a test is not the same as mine,

im not interested in how well at x angle the pole reacts, and i believe that most window cleaners dont either, im interested in what a pole works like how it handles out on the most important thing the job of cleaning windows.

sorry this sounds like a dig its not,

after all if you speak to people they all recommend different poles as they have there own opinion.

rgds, stuart

Stuart

It doesn't sound like a dig!  I understand exactly what you're talking about.  I always value my opinion having tried all of the poles more than any specific measurement.  However, when tabulating, publishing, recommending specific products, it's always easier just to present the facts not that the facts will give the fully rounded picture (although they can certainly help).

By the way, your new poles look interesting.

I can understand why the test for rigidity is done at the angle it is for the purpose of the test but the poles are never used at that angle so i believe an upright test with a standard weight on all poles would be better although the angle of the pole would be slight depending on pole and then how do you measure the angle when its 40ft in the air... i havent thought this one through have i
leave it to the pro's

Dean

Dean

I agree with you.  The ideal test would be to have the poles fully extended at an angle of about 25 degrees off of vertical with just the bottom 1 metre of the pole supported.  All poles would need to be loaded at the top with the same weight, say, 500 g.  Then the angle of deviation from vertical would need to be measured and represented as a percentage.  This in reality would be very difficult to carry out (I haven't read the test in PWC so I don't know if they have done it like this or not).  When we carried out our rigidity test, we did in the most straightforward way to tabulate and measure. Whilst this doesn't represent the angle that the pole is used at, it does give you an instant idea of which pole is the stiffest.  Not the perfect test but a valid one.

[matt]

Matt

I have tried to subscribe a couple of times now , but have never been sent a copy.

they dont like you then dave 

[Village Gleam]

We've had this disscusion before re alex/philip.

Personaly I agree with what Alex says, but it is largely a question fo phisics. A university or a british standards should be doing some of the tests- or the tests should be standardised. It might make a good phd subject for someone?

[mark dew]

I didn't get half the ones I paid for last year. Dai

me neither

[jouk45]

I am sure its free now , but dont hold me to it.

I havent got a copy, so if anyone gets a spare send one to me please , I will pay for postage.

Dave

it must be free now, i get the full version, but before that it was the sample one, with half the subjects deleted,

[Majestic]

There is no price on the cover

[StevePB]

   Dave

        E mail me your address, I have been sent 3 copies, I don't want the postage

Regards Steve.

[windowwashers]

   Dave

        E mail me your address, I have been sent 3 copies, I don't want the postage

Regards Steve.

do you still have the three copies? would you mind sending me one if I post you the money   I have been waiting for ages and still nothing 

[stuart@skypole]

Alex,

I know the only problem is how true are they the facts as it is well said picture say a thousand words,

and especially with digital enhancement!

just like sponsored reports.

regards, Stuart

Ps Thank you i hope the sell as well as the look :

[Count Phil]

Its free. Paid for by ionics. Its only fair they won. I don't know what all the moaning is about. The editor said clearly last time that he would be happy for and company to sponsor him. They could then win too. Stop moaning and view it as an advert - and to be fair, its more interesting than most adverts.

[pjulk]

I paid last years subscription but paid nothing for this year.

I did like the pole test and the bend on that tucker pole i did not believe.
My mate has a tucker pole and i have used it and no way does it bend like that.


Paul