[macmac]

I still say the costs are high. If you follow Tonys advice and buy a carbon facelift your gonna shell out a grand just for a pole for *hrist sake! The diy route dosen't have to be false economy either. By using cheap fishing poles and light brushes has given me a selection of poles for different jobs that I like to use for much much less than a carbon facelift. No what I'm saying is that when going through my expenses there always seems to be parts constantly wearing out and being replaced. Pole hose, clips, olives, brushes, filters, resin, connectors, hosereels, microbore, snap connectors battery, battery charger, prefilters, membranes all not counting your initial start up costs.

Well dave, i have to say, it's no good knocking if there's no one home, my system is over 3 years old & has never had a penny spent on it, or any part replaced, or has ever let me down,(poles & brushes aside), it wasn't expensive either,  i'm afraid you are one of the many sheep on the forum, & to your cost i'm afraid to say matey. however, live & learn
But please keep following the (experienced ) as it does give me great reading.

tony

[Jeff Brimble]

Whose sytem did you buy Tony ?

[Davew]

Yes Tony, but if I had gone down your route I would be posting about the extortionate start up costs of wfp wouldn't I ? So you manage to run a system that never needs any parts whatsoever? If you have then please give me some tips on how you obtain an everlasting system. After all, the only diy parts I have are my poles everything else comes from reputable suppliers.

[macmac]

Whose sytem did you buy Tony ?

I got most of my system parts from cleantech over 3 years ago. I put it all together myself. a pump box with a 60psi pump in it that has only ever been opened once out of curiosity that just simply plugs into cig' lighter & just works day after day the same as it did when it was brand new.

tony

[Jeff Brimble]

Cheers, so does it have a bypass or do you use a variflow ?

[macmac]

Yes Tony, but if I had gone down your route I would be posting about the extortionate start up costs of wfp wouldn't I ? So you manage to run a system that never needs any parts whatsoever? If you have then please give me some tips on how you obtain an everlasting system. After all, the only diy parts I have are my poles everything else comes from reputable suppliers.

No you wouldn't dave you would have been posting about the best 800 quid you ever spent! after that, if you had taken my advice from the start, you wouldn't be on 833 posts! but be quids in & loving an un-complicated working life.

tony

[Davew]

Whose sytem did you buy Tony ?

I got most of my system parts from cleantech over 3 years ago. I put it all together myself. a pump box with a 60psi pump in it that has only ever been opened once out of curiosity that just simply plugs into cig' lighter & just works day after day the same as it did when it was brand new.

tony


Errr you must be a sheep like me then!

[macmac]

Cheers, so does it have a bypass or do you use a variflow ?

Neither, it just has a flow control lever on it, it does have a strainer on it though, as i found out the once that i opened the box.

tony

[Jeff Brimble]

Maybe what I call a by pass is what you call a flow control lever. So the box matches the flow to the hose dia. and length supplied by Cleantech. I pressume you use a 6mm microbore ? and what size and how many jets ? Thanks for your patience !

[macmac]

Whose sytem did you buy Tony ?

I got most of my system parts from cleantech over 3 years ago. I put it all together myself. a pump box with a 60psi pump in it that has only ever been opened once out of curiosity that just simply plugs into cig' lighter & just works day after day the same as it did when it was brand new.

tony


Errr you must be a sheep like me then!

So where do all your running costs come from, & your start up costs?
My system performs all day, every day, perfectly, with NO ping about, that's how you make money in this trade dave. not at home in your shed repairing fishing poles etc.
Be wise my friend & filter the good from the crap

tony

[Davew]

Tony I know you have something against fishing poles and secretly desire to be a facelift rep but the original post I made was quite simple and had nothing to do with fishing poles, so why wade in and become all hostile claiming that because you are so experienced that you never need to service or spend on your system? If you are that wonderful why do you need to come on this forum? I come here to learn and don't expect to be bombarded with acid remarks from the likes of you.

[macmac]

Maybe what I call a by pass is what you call a flow control lever. So the box matches the flow to the hose dia. and length supplied by Cleantech. I pressume you use a 6mm microbore ? and what size and how mant jets ? Thanks for your patience !

Cleantech had no idea what dia hose i was going to use as i got the hose from argos at the time (cheaper & better than cleantech offered). I have used both 50mtr & 100 mtr 1/2 inch hose with this pump box & just adjust the lever for the situation. but i have to say the pump is never used on full, i use 2mm pencil jets but used to use fan jets ( untill i saw the light), oh , & i do have  a brush with 3mm jets. but like i say, no-matter what the situation, brush, jets, whatever, all i need to do is occasionaly adjust this lever. thats it, no silly/un-reliable varistream rubbish, or any problems with flow/pressure, just switch on & away, every time, what could be simpler?

tony

[matt]

I still stand by my statement, as it is correct, but, i didn't mean diy' ing a system, but diy'ing the components of the system. If you run a diy website or are an inventor then tuff, like i say, buy correct from the start ( and again, incase you missed it) this doesn't mean expensive & you will soon realize the difference between an inventors/diy obsessive's ego & the real deal. No bu****t, no ego trip, just good advice, the CORRECT choice & you're away. now, that clears that up.
Diy your system, yes, Diy the components of the system, NO. Total false economy, just read this forum to prove my point!

tony

i can see where your coming from, BUT if it wasnt for the DIY'er going lighter then some of the manufaters wouldnt be stocking affordable lightweight poles, so you cannot knock people who make poles out of anything, they are doing half of the R&D for makers

i trust the ego bit isnt a dig at me, as you are way wrong if you think i am here for a ego trip

the DIY site lists tried and tested items, all standard stuff, from the pump box, unger / cleantech pole ( sure its heavy, but it will outlast any other pole, if you decide to go lighter, then its handy for a backup pole ) vikan brush etc etc etc

ive got a fishing pole and a another pole that i am still yet to play with and get on the go, thats just becuase im a poor time manager, i spend time doing things more important to me

[macmac]

Tony I know you have something against fishing poles and secretly desire to be a facelift rep but the original post I made was quite simple and had nothing to do with fishing poles, so why wade in and become all hostile claiming that because you are so experienced that you never need to service or spend on your system? If you are that wonderful why do you need to come on this forum? I come hear to learn and don't expect to be bombarded with acid remarks from the likes of you.

If that's the case then dave, why the hell don't you listen
How long will it take before you see the light & arn't blighted by how many posts a person has (no link to wiseness by the way), or how popular they are on the forum. If you had taken my advise from the start then you wouldn't be posting so often.
My need for the forum is to help people like yourself & hope to get through to them.

tony

[matt]

Cheers, so does it have a bypass or do you use a variflow ?

Neither, it just has a flow control lever on it, it does have a strainer on it though, as i found out the once that i opened the box.

tony

tony, that'll be the by-pass system, your flow valve will control the flow returning back before the pump, same pump box that i have

[Jeff Brimble]

I think, 8 years ago Peter Fowill had a box- I helped him with it. he supplied it to Cleantech originally then they decided to make their own ?
I was just trying to get at the info that the control box is just a very simple Variflow/bypass/control lever.
Thanks for the patience again.
The pump manuf. now have built in by passes. So the box may not be required as you control the flow from a tap anywhere in the system.

[macmac]

Cheers, so does it have a bypass or do you use a variflow ?

Neither, it just has a flow control lever on it, it does have a strainer on it though, as i found out the once that i opened the box.

tony

tony, that'll be the by-pass system, your flow valve will control the flow returning back before the pump, same pump box that i have

You may be right matt, all i know is that i have a hose in & a hose out & that it has never failed to work in over 3 years. it performs every day, it's just a plastic box that i can easily take out in winter so it doesn't freeze up too. best 200 quid i ever spent! plug into cig lighter & away, no split charge crap, no second battery, no wires all over the place etc, no worries

tony

tony

[Davew]

Tony I'm listening but really can't see where your coming from. So what was the wonderfull advice you gave me and what does it matter how many posts you have? Means nothing to me. Chill out.

[matt]

Cheers, so does it have a bypass or do you use a variflow ?

Neither, it just has a flow control lever on it, it does have a strainer on it though, as i found out the once that i opened the box.

tony

tony, that'll be the by-pass system, your flow valve will control the flow returning back before the pump, same pump box that i have

You may be right matt, all i know is that i have a hose in & a hose out & that it has never failed to work in over 3 years. it performs every day, it's just a plastic box that i can easily take out in winter so it doesn't freeze up too. best 200 quid i ever spent! plug into cig lighter & away, no split charge crap, no second battery, no wires all over the place etc, no worries

tony

tony

the the thing about them, and why the people who say " i have a  Pro system and i have a fallback if anything goes wrong, thats why i pdid good money for it " are falling for a sales pitch, the cleantech pump box / board uses parts that if they break can be changed for little money

ive only opened my pump box to check the connections and see how it was built to build others

i have a spare pump box in the car, the reason is, 1 or 2 days lost money for me ( working 3 days a week ) is something i can do without, thus if anything happens i can just change the pump box over and work on ( i dont even need to open it up to see if its something silly )

[macmac]

I think, 8 years ago Peter Fowill had a box- I helped him with it. he supplied it to Cleantech originally then they decided to make their own ?
I was just trying to get at the info that the control box is just a very simple Variflow/bypass/control lever.
Thanks for the patience again.
The pump manuf. now have built in by passes. So the box may not be required as you control the flow from a tap anywhere in the system.

When opened up it's very simple inside, none of the modern water saving/complicated/more expensive/more troublesome crap inside that EVERY serious wfp'er needs these days.

tony