[xxmattyxx]

There have been times when Ive been cleaning trad where some UPVC windows with black seals around the glass, where it meets the frame, leaches black residue.

This makes one hell of a mess, discolours the frame permanently, and is most unsightly.

How do WFP users deal with this issue on these types of windows where the plastic seal leeches crud, surely the top seal leeches and this runs down over the glass??

Matt

[Mike 108]

While I have been cleaning 'trad', I have come across a lot of these seals where the black rubber seems to have perished/broken.

The black smearing happens when the squeegee, or scrim, touches the seal and then the frame, If the frame is wiped immediately, it will come off again and does not leave a permanent mark.

I think that with WFP the constant flow of water does not give the 'black stuff' time to permanenly mark the UPVC, and if rinsing is done properly any contaminated water should be washed away.

I think (and hope) that's the case, anyway.

Mike

[Clive McDonald]

No, this is a problem. It's caught me out and I have had complaints.I now detail with a microfibre prior to WFP if I think the seals look large.

Belt and braces,

It is one of the things I would like to have been warned about by the forum.

[m.b.s.]

what do you meen microfiber prior to wfp

[Mike 108]

Yes. What do you mean?

[Ian_Giles]

I've found that windows with oxidized rubber seals are fine with WFP, done trad they are a sod when detailing, but I've never, ever had a problem with spotting or otherwise when doe WFP, the tips of the bristles on the brush can get stained, but for whatever reason, that staining - at least in my own personal experience - has not led to spotting on the windows.
I do accept that others may not have been as lucky as myself though.

Ian

[Clive McDonald]

I mean wiping with a damp microfibre all around the seal, but particularly under the top frame. It comes off black. Then I try to aviod it wfp.

[Ian_Giles]

I mean wiping with a damp microfibre all around the seal, but particularly under the top frame. It comes off black. Then I try to aviod it wfp.

Those are the kind I'm referring to, not had a problem with them with WFP, but found them a right mare when done trad, trying to detail them and not get the oxidised black rubber onto the frames isn't easy, and as the veneer on the UPVC frames has usually oxidised too, the black rubber instantly stains the frames

But I've honestly not had a problem with doing them WFP.

Ian

[pjulk]

The ones with oxidised seals seems to be no problem with wfp
They are harder to do traditional

Just use a good flow of water and you will have no problem


Paul

[m.b.s.]

i am new to this how can you tell witch are oxisised and witch are not

[Mike 108]

I think that when people are refering to 'oxidised' seals they mean those that blacken your scrim when you touch them.

You can't tell which seals are going to do this just by looking at them - you only find out when it's too late, unfortunately.

I've just done some today that were a swine to do 'trad' but have not given me any problems with WFP.

[m.b.s.]

what is trad

[Spiceworld]

'Trad' is what a proper window cleaner is called ie 'Traditional' before 'WFP'


  Only joking lads!!

[Clive McDonald]

Trad means traditional methods, which in turn actually means something that didn't happen on a big scale till the sixties, that is using an applicator, and a squeegee or blade to get the water off. Before that they used chamoise.

The trads have a lot of skill and more knowledge because they work closer to the glass. I WFP and can't really tell what sort of job I do because i go before it dries.

On the seals, I find size has a bearing. The bigger they are the more problems. Newsish windows aren't a problem.

[stuart@skypole]

rain water
im thick i know but how do you clean the frames with a microfibre cloth prior to using wfp surely that defeats the object


rgds, stu

[Clive McDonald]

If I think the seals are going to give me problems by running down dirty water onto the top of the glass or a longer run or streak,(it shows as a dark stain) which has happened and I have been called back for, then to try and prevent this, or at least give me some peice of mind I have run a damp microfibre around the seals, which in turn leaves a stain like black oil on the microfibre.
In fairness the other wfp  posters have said they haven't met this problem. Perhaps it's just me.

[Davew]

I had a house like this - terrible. My vikan brush went black, the frames went black and I had to clean up the frames with upvc cleaner.

[Mike 108]

Rainwater.  Several people have asked you to explain your comments but (me included) still don't get it!

You make it sound like this - before you WFP an upstairs window you go up ladders to microfibre the seals?? - surely not.

Sorry if I'm missing something.

Mike

[Clive McDonald]

If I had to do upstairs i would use a trad pole with something on the end, say an applicator. Or yes I would go up Ladders if the frames needed it for a first clean.

I don't understand the defeats the object of wfp comments. I go there to do the best job I can and earn money, ladders are one of my tools, as are step ladders.