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Mike Halliday

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how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« on: May 26, 2007, 11:29:31 pm »
too carry on from Johns question, perhaps my vaccing isn't thorough enough :o :o :o

I believe i can give it a good vac in 15-20mins this is working on an 70/30 principle so 30%of the carpet gets 70% of the effort,  meaning the walkways and in-front of the settee gets lots of slow strokes and underneath the suite & in the corners gets a light once over.

mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Matt Lindus

Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 09:57:50 am »
No point vacing what so ever, complete waste of time. That said if your a splitter, yes vac your little heart out, you will need all the help you can get.

Ken Wainwright

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 11:40:49 am »
 :-X
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
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carpetguy

Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 11:56:41 am »
What's your style of cleaning Matt as failure to vacuum ( in some cases ) will come back to haunt you very quickly.

I presume you don't like m/s products !

AquaMagic

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 12:10:05 pm »
I vac becuase, the NCCA, IICRC and CRI all say i should, im thinking as an organisation they know more than me.

Just my two penneth.

Dene

Ken Wainwright

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2007, 12:39:29 pm »
Hear hear Dene.

For the record, so do Prochem, Chemspec, Hydramaster, BicSc, Host, Envirodri........

Safe and happy vaccing :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

des

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2007, 01:01:13 pm »
Are you all saying that this matt lindus  or what ever his real name is is talking out of his A--  .saying that we could do a topic on To vac our not to vac  . What do they say get some dust in your hand wet it and then try and blow it away  ,VAC VAC VAC
des at mister clean

Mike Halliday

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2007, 02:16:09 pm »
So how long to vac? no ones given any times yet!

Matt do you actually clean carpets?I thought you where just a distributor.

Ken I'd be interested in how long you north/south - east/west vaccing takes to do this size

Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Steve Chapman

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2007, 02:52:46 pm »
no more than 20 mins thats for sure!

Most carpets i feel you could be there all day and still be getting some dry soil out, but you're still there to make some money, so you really only realistically have time for the once over  ;)

That said it most definitely needs to be done!

I did one job for an old dear a while back, and after vaccing she came out and paid me and said what a good job i'd done  ::)

not sure if it was a good vaccing or she was just a bit nutty !  and yes i did stay and clean it properly before you ask ::)

regards
steve

Dave_Lee

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2007, 04:36:20 pm »
I tell the client to give the carpet a really thorough vacuuming before I arrive. Most clients have much better vacuum units these days and some can compete with commercial vacs for performance. Of course if the situation warrants it, I will still prevac before cleaning and would manage Mikes carpets in 15 -20 minutes.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
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carpetguy

Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2007, 04:47:26 pm »
Not so sure about the so called commercials performance. I've tried a fair number over the years and although they were powerful, I feel the domestic Dyson does a better job.

Yes, they are very poorly built, but they pick up animal hairs better than anything else.

Ken Wainwright

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2007, 08:21:55 pm »
Mike

A typical through lounge, not excessively flattened and unfurnished would take about upto 20 minutes unfurnished. Traffic lanes and TV shuffle would be N-S and E-W. Un-trafiicked just one direction.  Furnished rooms would take longer depending upon how much there was.

Apart from the vacuum side of machines, it should be remembered that a commercial upright will typically have a seperate motor for the beater/brush bar. This offers better agitation and pile separation, hence superior performance over most single motor models.

Safe and happy vaccing :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

carpetguy

Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2007, 10:35:38 pm »
OK, now I'd like you to consider the amount of sand / grit / and what would have been "dry soil " within carpets, that is now in your return tank, having finished cleaning a house of carpets.

If you have worked in the recommended way, ie, against the grain, or across the grain, at 45%, left then right, how much do you think has been left behind ?

Very little, I'd suggest and if you are thorough, methodical and disciplined, there will be virtually no difference, between the result you've achieved and the result you would have achieved, had you vacuumed before cleaning.

Always assuming, you have presprayed and extracted correctly and with quality products

The argument for vacuuming, is that around 80% of soiling within carpets, is dry soiling, which has to be extracted before introducing a wetting agent................but what does the wetting agent do?

Well....it reduces surface tension and emulsifies the soiling, allowing it to be extracted through the powerfull suction from the extraction machine.

I see the same carpets and clients year after year and have done so for over twenty years. If my approach was flawed, it would have been pretty obvious.

I'm not knocking anyone elses approach here and I'm well aware that everyone has their standard and some will need to follow the pre vac' route, but for me and I'm sure many others, it's time consuming and not as essential as some might believe.

There is the odd occasion when I do find the need to vacuum, but in most cases it's around the skirtings, or to pick up animal fur / hair.




Damian

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2007, 10:47:57 pm »
Rob
Are you advocating The not pre-vacuuming approach?

Damian.
Kids for the ex-missus. The fireblade is my baby!!

*paul_moss

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2007, 11:29:21 pm »
After now going T/M my approach is very similar to Robs and the vac does not often come out of the van. :o
Paul Moss  MBICSc
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carpetguy

Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2007, 07:17:03 am »
Damien

I'm advocating an open minded approach, but there will times when vacuuming will be necessary, to avoid " muddying " the surface, unnecessarily, or making cat fur much more difficult to remove, than it would have been, when dry.

As in many areas of life.............There is no ALWAYS and no NEVER in cleaning, so don't get bogged down with the idea that you must ALWAYS do something, when you could be either offering your service, at a more competitive price, or you will increase your earnings, by making more profitable use of your time !

Karl Wildey

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2007, 11:02:38 am »
There no topic to discuss on vacuuming, To do or not to do.

You vac before you clean.


Doug Holloway

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Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2007, 11:37:50 am »
Hi Guys

My answer to the original question would be it would depend on the type of carpet , how well the customer had already vacced, the degree of soling etc.

So anything up to 30 mins.

I find the 'you must always do something approach' is tantamount to saying leave your brain in a box in the van and follow a procedure.

Some carpets need vaccing , some do not , some need prespray A, some B , some none at all.

Cheers

Doug


carpetguy

Re: how long to VAC a 30ft lounge & HSL!!
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2007, 06:16:44 pm »
Karl

Do you really always vacuum, before cleaning and if you do, maybe you are simply wasting time and energy, in many cases.

Do you always check your tyres / water / washers, etc, before driving off each day, of course not. Do you always clean your filters, hoses, return tanks, every day and empty the solution tanks.

I'm just suggesting again..............there is no always and no never.

Use your knowledge and judgement / experience, but if in doubt, vacuum.

Relax !