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Sean Leahy

Round for sale
« on: May 16, 2007, 07:48:26 pm »
Round for sale in Hillingdon Middlesex.

Income £750 per week all domestic.

About 28 hrs a week to complete.

Price £12,500

steve m

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2007, 07:56:00 am »
HOW MUCH???????????????????????????????????????

Sean Leahy

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2007, 09:38:26 am »
£12,500

simonwonder

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2007, 11:49:36 pm »
hi sean
would you consider a pay as you go arrangement
please reply to
simon@wondercleaning.co.uk

Sean Leahy

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 07:53:36 pm »
Sorry Simon no.

simonwonder

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 10:50:06 pm »
thanks for being honest
worth asking i thought
regards simon

Trevor Knight

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2007, 08:53:58 am »
Hi Sean,

Just a question but is there a reason why your pricing this sale so high? It equals bar a few quid 4 x monthly turnover.

Is this contractual work or just good will as any window cleaner taking this would have to tread very carefully for 8 months before they made any money? Taking into consideration cancellations with domestic in particular it seems a lot of money to ask for?

Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Sean Leahy

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2007, 07:51:28 pm »
Hi Trevor,

I do not think that my busines is over valued, I feel that my business is under valued as are a lot of other window cleaning business for sale.

I have read some of your post before reguarding value of window cleaning business and they make very good reading.
You metioned in one of your posts that when you buy a domestic window cleaning round you are only buying the good will of the customers, I agree with you however, when you buy any business ( unless there are assetts ) you are buying the goodwill of the existing customer base. It is upto the buyer to keep these customers happy.

The turnover for my business next year stands at £39,000. My profit before tax is at 96% as I work alone and all the work is local and it takes me ( i am 50 ) about 25 hours a week trad.  Last year I increased my business by £10,000 with very little effort.

 I am offering for sale a one man business  with a forcast of £49,000 for next year for £12,500. I do not know of any other type of business you can buy with those sorts of figures for such a small amount. The most high risk business to buy is a building company even these types of business go for about half the yearly turnover.

I have build this business over the past 20 months and I am very proud of the business I have created and the quality of cleaning I provide, anybody who buys this round will have to have very high standards or they will lose customers, as with any business quality counts.

This is a genuine business I have for sale and the person who buys it will have an excelent business with an excelent reputation for a small cash investment.

One thing I have found in business is to know your own value.

 I hope I have answered all your questions Trevor.

Thanks

Sean

gaza

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2007, 11:58:02 pm »
SEAN: hOW MUCH ? does that include a new van?

 gaza
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

danny mckim

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2007, 03:08:17 pm »
Sean, I hope you stick to your prce and dont drop it. If anybody says £12500 is overpriced they either dont know the value of windowcleaning rounds or are just teasing you mate. Personally if i was buying a round i would cut the guy down as much as i could, trying everything even though its a fair price, to get it cheap. But deep down i know its worth and will pay to make sure i get the round. Someone will buy your round it will just take time for them to come across it and then you will no doubt get your asking price.

Good luck.

                    Danny

Majestic

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2007, 04:52:06 pm »
If I was selling my round I would want to get the best price that I could . I think you will have a hard job selling it but good luck anyway

Trevor Knight

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2007, 07:18:39 am »
Hi Trevor,

I do not think that my busines is over valued, I feel that my business is under valued as are a lot of other window cleaning business for sale.

I have read some of your post before reguarding value of window cleaning business and they make very good reading.
You metioned in one of your posts that when you buy a domestic window cleaning round you are only buying the good will of the customers, I agree with you however, when you buy any business ( unless there are assetts ) you are buying the goodwill of the existing customer base. It is upto the buyer to keep these customers happy.

The turnover for my business next year stands at £39,000. My profit before tax is at 96% as I work alone and all the work is local and it takes me ( i am 50 ) about 25 hours a week trad.  Last year I increased my business by £10,000 with very little effort.

 I am offering for sale a one man business  with a forcast of £49,000 for next year for £12,500. I do not know of any other type of business you can buy with those sorts of figures for such a small amount. The most high risk business to buy is a building company even these types of business go for about half the yearly turnover.

I have build this business over the past 20 months and I am very proud of the business I have created and the quality of cleaning I provide, anybody who buys this round will have to have very high standards or they will lose customers, as with any business quality counts.

This is a genuine business I have for sale and the person who buys it will have an excelent business with an excelent reputation for a small cash investment.

One thing I have found in business is to know your own value.

 I hope I have answered all your questions Trevor.

Thanks

Sean


Hi Sean,

Thanks for your reply, likewise it makes intersting reading and nice to see a view of the sellers perspective.

I look at it this way:

I pay you £12,500 for a round that currently turns over £39,000 - this is equal to 32% of the turnover.

Breaking this down as a business venture you then look at your monthly income generated from this round = £3,250.

That means that based on this income you will work for 4 months before your break even is acheived on just the investment.

This has taken you 25hrs a week for 4 months. So during these 4 months you will also need to draw an income, now lets say the average income is £400 per week which over 16 weeks is a net worth of £6,400 so you will now need to work your round for another 3 months to recover this cost. Add to that petrol, insurance, collecting, equipment and any other business costs your now at the 8 month point before you can look at your investment and expect to start making money.

Now over 8 months I believe it is fair to expect some cancellations due to moving house, deciding not to continue etc....

So my reason for asking about your investment is that I agree you should ask for as much money as possible but from a purchasing point of view there are more things to consider when buying a round than simply to cost. As the owner of the round when you gain a new customer that is instant profit for you as the owner, as the purchaser if I have paid 3 or 4 times the monthly value I have a lot of work to do on the hope that she doesn't cancel in the meantime.

As for contracts, what I meant by this is that on commercial contracts you have a specified term along with certain proceedures to ensure you retain this work. Poor work has to be rectified in a given time etc... which gives a purchaser an opportunity to keep his work, as with a domestic customer who may and be quite entitled to say, NO THANKS! leaving you out of pocket. So with a domestic round you are buying faith and goodwill that you can keep this round without cancellations as you have no Guarentee's

I hope you understand my view now and like I said before, its just a purchasers view. I appreciate all the hard work you have put into your business and from experience I know to keep a good solid customer base is no easy task, so hats off to you for that.

regards,

Trevor
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

W C R Ltd

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2007, 02:11:19 pm »
Generally, people do not buy a business for what it is; they will buy for what the business does for them.

Namely it must earn them cash to repay their investment, provide them with a living, and build for the future. With cash (not profits) uppermost in their mind on the first two of these, the price is often based on something called 'EBITDA'. EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation and Amortisation) is an accountancy term that represents the sustainable cash profits of the business assuming nil borrowing costs.

Ravensford

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2007, 07:09:47 pm »

The turnover for my business next year stands at £39,000. My profit before tax is at 96%

Firstly, Good Luck with the sale.

Secondly, Trevor has some valid points. I find with w/c the seller can see that they have a very valuable asset that they don't want to give away too cheaply. After all from your perspective, based on your projected turnover, for what you will receive equates to three months turnover.

As a buyer Trevor's points come into play.

Lastly, you haven't got a business that makes 96% profit because that assumes you work for nothing.

I wish you all the best & hope you get what you require

farkam

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2007, 08:28:04 pm »
guys, you missed one crucial point, you can sell your business afterwards anyway, so in fact you are earning money untill you sell purchased business. i think £12500 for that job is quite reasonable though, check any other businesses for their return, and you will find 1 year plus returns on investment.

Trevor Knight

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2007, 07:55:14 am »
Hi Farkam,

1 year + for a return on your investment?

I think most of these type of investments also carry assets included in the sale. They are more than likely to be contract based as well and not good will only?

Perhaps you can give an example of a business that is selling like you describe, would be interested to read up on this type of investment speculation?

regards,

Trevor
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Sean Leahy

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2007, 07:41:04 pm »
Thanks for all you intrest,

I have now sold my round to a nice chap who is looking to expand his business.

As i said I cleaned all my round trad he is all wfp,
I will be keeping in touch with him and I will be posting on his progress ( with his aproval of course) as I think it will be of intrest to others.

Trevor Knight

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Re: Round for sale
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2007, 07:48:08 am »
Hi Sean,

I am pleased you have sold your round, good luck in the future.

Best wishes,

Trevor.
Covering Hampshire, Dorset, Surrey, Berkshire

Paul Coleman

Re: Round for sale
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2007, 10:18:39 am »
Thanks for all you intrest,

I have now sold my round to a nice chap who is looking to expand his business.

As i said I cleaned all my round trad he is all wfp,
I will be keeping in touch with him and I will be posting on his progress ( with his aproval of course) as I think it will be of intrest to others.

Please do.  I would be interested to hear how he gets along - especially as the method is changing too.