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L.J.Thorpe

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2008, 11:17:26 pm »
right,so you intend to start a round then and are looking for advice/info etc.  :) is that correct

peter holley

Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2008, 11:22:05 pm »
so basically you sell double glazing and are onhere looking ffor info about window cleaning but you do not have a round ??? or do you still sub work out that you have canvassed ???

I dont sell double glazing, and I earn no money from the work I canvassed.



Mark

the majority read, and don't post and you are boring us.... so get to the point ....i cant be bothered to read your reply ....im toooo tired .... got work to do

Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2008, 11:30:40 pm »
Thank you Davo (Mark) now we are getting somewhere, i notice the only thing you seem to post about is marketing and money and never about the cleaning side of things which puzzled me for a while and still does. I find it rather difficult to take advice from someone who is not in the same boat if you see what i mean, which explains why i have such a problem with your posts (over my head most of the time). This is not a rant or a wich hunt by the way - some of your advice might indeed be useful. :)

L.J.Thorpe

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2008, 11:39:56 pm »
Thank you Davo (Mark) now we are getting somewhere, i notice the only thing you seem to post about is marketing and money and never about the cleaning side of things which puzzled me for a while and still does. I find it rather difficult to take advice from someone who is not in the same boat if you see what i mean, which explains why i have such a problem with your posts (over my head most of the time). This is not a rant or a wich hunt by the way - some of your advice might indeed be useful. :)
have to agree on that djw, i had assumed the marketing stuff was direct experience of working a round,rather than transplanted generic sales,could still be useful tho i spose

Davo

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2008, 11:59:24 pm »
Thank you Davo (Mark) now we are getting somewhere, i notice the only thing you seem to post about is marketing and money and never about the cleaning side of things which puzzled me for a while and still does. I find it rather difficult to take advice from someone who is not in the same boat if you see what i mean, which explains why i have such a problem with your posts (over my head most of the time). This is not a rant or a wich hunt by the way - some of your advice might indeed be useful. :)

I read the boards for information, I see posts concerning topics I understand and have experience of and post on those topics. Theres not much point posting on a subject I have no experience of.

I was a time served painter and decorator for 15 years, now I work in direct sales. I wish I had the knowledge I have now when I was on the tools. So many jobs underpriced because I thought they wouldnt pay any more

Thats why I tend to talk about prices and rates, Ive experienced this first hand. The biggest barrier when I was on the tools was me, my confidence in what I could charge.
I read these boards and see the exact same mind set.



Mark


L.J.Thorpe

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2008, 12:07:15 am »
phew!!! that took some getting out didnt it,i find it strange that a salesman with no direct experience of window cleaning should choose to post on a window cleaners site ??? ??? ???,now you are opening up perhaps you could give a straight answer to this question
HAVE YOU ALREADY STARTED,OR DO YOU INTEND TO START,A WINDOW CLEANING ROUND??????

Davo

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2008, 12:15:17 am »
phew!!! that took some getting out didnt it,i find it strange that a salesman with no direct experience of window cleaning should choose to post on a window cleaners site ??? ??? ???,now you are opening up perhaps you could give a straight answer to this question
HAVE YOU ALREADY STARTED,OR DO YOU INTEND TO START,A WINDOW CLEANING ROUND??????

Now I am opening up....... think thats enough about me. Dont you worry about what Im doing or intending to do.



Mark

L.J.Thorpe

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2008, 12:25:31 am »
so why post on here  ??? ??? ??? whats the point if you dont clean windows ??? i dont post on sites for print workers or mechanics or gunsmiths or electricians even tho i might have some knowledge(however limited) which relates to their trade ???I JUST DONT GET IT >:( over and out man you do my head in ???

Davo

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2008, 12:48:45 am »
so why post on here  ??? ??? ??? whats the point if you dont clean windows ??? i dont post on sites for print workers or mechanics or gunsmiths or electricians even tho i might have some knowledge(however limited) which relates to their trade ???I JUST DONT GET IT >:( over and out man you do my head in ???

I have been open and honest and have no problem in answering questions, however I dont respond well to someone whos trying to be  smart .




Mark

Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2008, 08:07:37 am »
Your theories are great but many are unpractical in the real world, where have you gained your ideas from - do you read some books on salesmanship? And why post on this site? You have nothing to gain other than playing with us. So are you just testing theories out to get a reaction? You've seen the brags of earnings on here so if you applied your ideas on top then you would earn an astonishing wage (if it worked). So what's it all about? Why aren't you out there practicing what you preach?

Davo

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2008, 08:44:37 am »
Your theories are great but many are unpractical in the real world, where have you gained your ideas from - do you read some books on salesmanship? And why post on this site? You have nothing to gain other than playing with us. So are you just testing theories out to get a reaction? You've seen the brags of earnings on here so if you applied your ideas on top then you would earn an astonishing wage (if it worked). So what's it all about? Why aren't you out there practicing what you preach?


Many are unpractical in the real world....like what?

No Im not playing with anyone

No i havent got it all out of a book

Who says Im not practicing what I preach.


Mark

Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2008, 02:35:27 pm »
Like whacking in a huge price on an unsuspecting customer? - not practical if you want to keep them for return cleans in the future.
Was it you that said "buyers are liars"? a very strong statement to make when there is obviously little money about on the estates that i cover.
The unpracticalities of your theories are that probably 90% of the time there is little money about for people to pay the huge figures you are suggesting for conservatory cleans. Most houses and extensions inc. conservatories are paid for by loans so few customers are loaded with liquid assets.
I like the basis of some of your posts but struggle with your - dare i say it, cons to strip customers of money.
Back in September you were picking our brains on setting up a windowcleaning round, now six months later your telling us how to run our business yet your not in the business by your own admission.
 So i ask again - what is it you actually do for a living and what interest do you have in this forum?

Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2008, 05:07:49 pm »
Davo Is clearly a sales man, I like reading what he writes, and take some of the things on board  ;) many will just not be sustainable in the long term but I like his style.
I dont rip people of ever by the way  ;)


Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2008, 05:17:01 pm »
If he was sat across the table from me now i would be asking exactly the same questions but it wouldn't seem threatening as the typed word appears on a forum.

L.J.Thorpe

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2008, 06:13:02 pm »
Davo Is clearly a sales man, I like reading what he writes, and take some of the things on board ;) many will just not be sustainable in the long term but I like his style.
I dont rip people of ever by the way ;)


you said it ian, he is definite salesman ::) i just dont understand why he is on here posting questions etc. when he does not clean windows for a living ??? what does he get out of it? and whats all the " Dont you worry about what i am doing or intending to do "crap ??? I assumed he had a window cleaning business from the posts on canvassing,managing work,removing paint from windows,cleaning upvc etc. I remember JSMC making his first posts on here a short while back,he asked loads of questions about everything and anything related to window cleaning .why? because he was interested in starting a window cleaning business,not because he wanted to give us all the benefit of his marketing and sales strategy.I am not "trying to be smart" i simply fail to see the reason why anyone would have any interest in this forum UNLESS they :
1: already have a window cleaning round/business/job
2: are interested in starting a window cleaning round/business

Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2008, 06:23:00 pm »
Davo Is clearly a sales man, I like reading what he writes, and take some of the things on board ;) many will just not be sustainable in the long term but I like his style.
I dont rip people of ever by the way ;)


you said it ian, he is definite salesman ::) i just dont understand why he is on here posting questions etc. when he does not clean windows for a living ??? what does he get out of it? and whats all the " Dont you worry about what i am doing or intending to do "crap ??? I assumed he had a window cleaning business from the posts on canvassing,managing work,removing paint from windows,cleaning upvc etc. I remember JSMC making his first posts on here a short while back,he asked loads of questions about everything and anything related to window cleaning .why? because he was interested in starting a window cleaning business,not because he wanted to give us all the benefit of his marketing and sales strategy.I am not "trying to be smart" i simply fail to see the reason why anyone would have any interest in this forum UNLESS they :
1: already have a window cleaning round/business/job
2: are interested in starting a window cleaning round/business
maybe he wants to start up doing it, if he does then many of the things need to be changed for it to work in the long term.

if not maybe he just finds it interesting.

Davo

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2008, 07:40:09 pm »
Like whacking in a huge price on an unsuspecting customer? - not practical if you want to keep them for return cleans in the future.
Was it you that said "buyers are liars"? a very strong statement to make when there is obviously little money about on the estates that i cover.
The unpracticalities of your theories are that probably 90% of the time there is little money about for people to pay the huge figures you are suggesting for conservatory cleans. Most houses and extensions inc. conservatories are paid for by loans so few customers are loaded with liquid assets.
I like the basis of some of your posts but struggle with your - dare i say it, cons to strip customers of money.
Back in September you were picking our brains on setting up a windowcleaning round, now six months later your telling us how to run our business yet your not in the business by your own admission.
 So i ask again - what is it you actually do for a living and what interest do you have in this forum?

Im not telling you how to run your business, this is a forum, my posts merely reflect another opinion.

I have already told you what I do for a living, and I shall shortly be selling a cleaning service which I will sell on to a friend whom I gave some window cleaning work to.

I post on cleaning paint off things because thats what I did for 15 years. I also have cleaned a few conservatories trying out different cleaners so I have experience of that.

The only thing that I dont have is 1000's of hours of experience moving a pole with a brush on the end up and down on glass.

Ive done a great deal of canvassing and direct selling.

Ill tell you a quick story wont take long, I was talking to an old friend whos moved away from the area where I live to the north east, they have a window cleaner, the same one for the last 7 years, he calls every 2 weeks cleans a 3 bed semi and charges them £3.50 ( its a depressed area). I said to him (his wife actually, he couldnt care less if his windows were cleaned or not) would you pay him £7 if he called once a month? yes of course I would, he does a decent job, I just cant understand how he makes a living charging  £3.50.

Do you think this cleaner is working smart? He could do half the work for the same money, either he's too stupid to realise or he doesnt value what he does  to earn his living. And I see so many "were only window cleaner threads", your selling yourselves short, Im not saying they will pay any price to have their windows cleaned ( the most my friends wife would pay is £10 a month, its still a hell of a lot more profitable  than £3.50 a fortnight.)

I presume the majority on here are happy to do what they do, happy with the money they earn for the hours they work, great carry on.

In conclusion, just because I dont move the pole up and down doesnt mean Im not entitled to an opinion on this forum.

My intentions with my posts is to try to offer the benefit of my experience to those who may be interested.



Mark

Dale Smith

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2008, 08:37:45 pm »
Mark, you keep on posting, as I have no background of direct sales, and have already put some of your advice into practice (what you said earlier in this thread to me) and have got work at a better price. I priced with confidence, and priced not at window cleaning rate ;D
I trawl through the forum picking at info... like a circling vulture.... ;)
Swindon, Wiltshire.

L.J.Thorpe

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Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2008, 09:29:09 pm »
Mark, you keep on posting, as I have no background of direct sales, and have already put some of your advice into practice (what you said earlier in this thread to me) and have got work at a better price. I priced with confidence, and priced not at window cleaning rate ;D
I trawl through the forum picking at info... like a circling vulture.... ;)
dale i have read this back and i think it was mick hay who told you to "price with confidence"





Re: conservatory cleans
« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2008, 09:39:02 pm »
So Mark, are you suggesting we double our prices and half our cleans?