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pete41

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formula 90
« on: April 06, 2007, 09:36:54 am »
 I have just started using chemspec formula 90 carpet prespray. the dilution rate is great and economical.  please can i have your views on this product, is it any good ??? as i am new to carpet cleaning... many thanks....

jbcleaning

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2007, 10:11:11 am »
It is a great product, but it's goes in the tank of your machine, it's not a prespray!

There are lots of good presrays around, try prochem multi pro for synthetics or prespray gold for wool carpets. And get yourself on a course if you haven't already  :D

Ian Rochester

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 09:08:37 pm »
Been using it as my main tank solution for about a year, £ for £ it's one of the best out there.

I buy mine from John at www.restormate.co.uk


spindle

  • Posts: 680
Re: formula 90
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 11:03:44 pm »
had a sample of formula 90..........works great........but i used at reduced rate as an additve to tank!

worked ok 4 me ;D


life is one big learning experience!!!!!!!

Derek

Re: formula 90
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2007, 08:08:30 am »
Formula 90 is an excellent product but please take note...

The powdered version is buffered whilst the liquid (Woolsafe accredited) version isn't.

I always used to use the powdered version, but as a prespray, rinsing with Chemspec's Textile Rinse.... works very well without any complications

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2007, 09:39:53 am »
I use formula 90 liquid sometimes but dilute it not at 990-1 but at 2000-1 it's that good a product.

Shaun

Matt Lindus

Re: formula 90
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2007, 11:42:16 am »
One of the best products out there, add it to your must buy list.

John Gregory

Re: formula 90
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 11:49:09 am »
 Does any one use it in a truck mount i cant work out how to dilute it

john rees

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2007, 10:53:27 pm »
Hi John
           1 litre to 12 litres of water should be the dilution rate. then 2 gph for lightly soiled wool carpets(1000 to 1), 3 gph for moderately soiled wool(500 to 1) then 6 to 10 gph for heavily soiled synthetic (300 to 1) I've had some liquid high heat rattling around in the van for months, I  tried it last week and was really suprised how well it works on wool carpets especially the lighter coloured ones!!

                                hope this helps
                                                        John
john

Ken Wainwright

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2007, 11:07:57 am »
John

Whilst I would admit that it may be deemed necessary to use a product like Chemspec's High Heat on trashed wool carpets (VERY trashed wool carpets that is),  given that there will be inexperienced technicians reading your post I feel that it is perhaps a little irresponsible to make such a general statement as  ......I  tried it last week and was really suprised how well it works on wool carpets....

As you are probably aware John, a product of a pH upto 10.5, and probably buffered too, can cause irrepairable damage to wool fibres. The dye's own buffered acidity will be compromised, leaving it open to colour degredation either immediately or more likely later, especially at subsequent cleans. The 0.4% of lanolin typically present in wool carpet yarn will be removed, allowing the fibres to be dried out and become more brittle leading to accelerated wear of the carpet. There will also be other problems such as the hand or feel of the carpet when dry.

We often hear of technicians who clean wool fibre carpets using inappropriate chemistry. OK, on the day, there may not be any apparent damage to the carpet, but believe me, damage has occured. The International Wool Secretariate, and more lately the Woolsafe Organisation, employ trained scientists to come up with ways to clean wool textiles safely. I'm sure that most of us would never dream of laundering our expensive Gant woolen pullovers in High Heat or similar, so why our customers carpets?

Cleaning wool carpets well and cleaning them safely is a learnt skill. I feel that the Woolsafe Training Course by Chemspec Europe that I attended a few years ago, was the best and most important course I have ever attended. It made such an impact on my knowledge and understanding of cleaning not only wool, but synthetics too, that I am now able to clean almost every carpet to Woolsafe standards, regardless of carpet, yarn or system type.

Even the most heavily soiled wool carpets will respond to correct Woolsafe cleaning procedures, the only limitation being the amount of time available to carry out the clean. My advice would be that if there is not sufficient time available to clean a carpet correctly, a written, and acknowledged, notice should be issued informing the prospect/client of the reasons for adopting non-recommended methods.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

john rees

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2007, 12:08:11 pm »
Ken
       I'm afraid your commenting on a product you know nothing about a ph of 10.5???? it is a detergent that is on the acid side with a ph of 3 to 4 specifically for wool and stain resistant carpets!and will not cause the damage you state! I have used it on pub black top as well as residential carpets in the last week and it takes away the need for an acid rinse. and will not cause browning for inexperienced cleaners. the fact it is on the acid side suprised me in because it worked so well without the need for high ph chemistry! and I stand by my statement!!!
                  all the best
                                    John
john

Ken Wainwright

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2007, 02:11:52 pm »
John

May I offer my apologies, I stand corrected.  My catalogue must be out of date as it only shows the powdered version of High Heat. Here's the link to the product you have corrected me about.  http://www.chemspec-europe.com/product_range.htm

However, what I have stated in my original post here is relevant to all heavily alkaline and high pH detergent pre-spray and rinses.

SAFE and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

Ian Puckett

  • Posts: 43
Re: formula 90
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2007, 02:35:39 pm »
maybe Ken was confused by the title. chemspec say for formula 90

 Fragrance: Citrus
Appearance: Light blue liquid
pH: 960: 9.5 - 10.5 640: 10.0 - 11.0 320: 10.5 - 11
Coverage: 160-3,170 sq. metres per 4L

Ken Wainwright

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2007, 08:00:24 pm »
No Ian

I wasn't confused by Formula 90. This is a product that is not buffered, so the leaner the solution, the lower the pH and at 1:960 is tested at being Woolsafe Approved.

The discussion had gone on to a "sister" Chemspec product called High Heat. Unbeknown to me, there are now two High Heat products, the powdered version to which I referred, and a very different Liquid High Heat which was the subject of John's experiences.  I made a fundamental error of not reading carefully what John had written.

SAFE and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

*paul_moss

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2007, 08:42:04 pm »
Ken
Take a leaf out of Dereks book.
Always read the post I mean read the label  ;)

Easy mistake so dont beat yourself up.
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

RAM Cleaning

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Re: formula 90
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2007, 01:23:15 am »
Hi

i also use the formula 90 powder straight into the tank, and get excellent results.  But i have now invested in a sebo duo and microsplitters as i think that is the way forward, although i have never had a single problem with using formula 90.

Richard

Derek

Re: formula 90
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 08:23:03 am »
Formula 90 powder is designed to go into the rinse tank...BUT...

Please bare in mind the Chemspec are a US based company and their main target market is the US.

The vast majority of carpets in the US are Nylon and Olefin (Polypropylene to you and me) they do not have the amount of Wool blends in carpeting that we do in the UK.

I, when I used the product, made a slight adjustment in procedures by using the Formula 90 as a prespray and rinsed with their Textile Rinse....worked very well indeed

Always look at the product you are going to use and also the substrate you wish to clean.....then YOU make the descision to clean SAFELY and effectively

It doesn't always follow that you should do what you 'read on the tin'