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The Great One

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Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« on: October 03, 2003, 08:39:51 pm »
Hi Guys

There are course out there that deal with Trauma and Bio-Hazard cleaning. This may be an avenue I would like to pursue.

the courses run infrequently due to interest.

With the Blood course a guy has to come from the USA specially. To get him over I would need to get about 10 people who would like to do the course. It is a 2 day course and would cost about £300-400. The more people interested the cheaper it is.

Courses are also available for Fire and Flood.

I understand that this is not everyones 'cup of tea' and the equipment will not be cheap but feel ht e financial rewards for this type of work to be substantial.

Interested? then either send me a private msg or e-mail me at mandms@riomoon.fsnet.co.uk

Regards

Martin

DP

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2003, 04:52:03 am »
Humm this is interesting, Im curious who you would be getting over for this? I have spent the last 25 years as a Damage Manager dealing solely with fire and flood decontamination, working directly for insurers both here and 5 years internationally. I have had my own company for the last 5 years and 3 of those 25 years included working for Thames Valley Police employed to deal with their murders, suicides and toxic contaminations such as Aids (Trauma) I trained (3 years) with and worked for a world wide disaster organisation. (blimey that sounded like a CV  :-[)

Setting aside the Trauma, the whole fire and flood industry has just been turned upside down by most of the insurance companies deciding not to use independents, instead using in the whole only 4 national contractors, i.e. Rainbow, Chem Dry, Belfore and Ark&General (ISS)  2 of which on pay back contracts.

This has affected hundreds of companies all over the country within the last 3 months, who were specifically set up for this work and pre appointed holding 100's of thousands of pounds worth of equipment and unquestionable wealth of experience and specific training.

In short the industry has near collapsed and the doors are firmly closed irrespective of contacts/relationships etc.

Now most believe that the doors will re-open in approx 2 years which is the length of the average contract, when the insurers realize that they have made a mistake and that they do need the independents with their particular skills, which has happened before.

However this is without question not the best time to be investing in any training in this field, I would also suggest that if this guy is also the person in respect of fire and flood, there is absolutely no need, as there is a wealth of training courses to attend here in the UK, which would give you correct training on UK accepted methods not American, without the bulk attendance and a recognised UK acreditation. Should you still be interested, I can point you in the right direction.

Although it is still fair to say that when we have our next national flooding, those who still have the equipment may well be called on as there is always a shortage. It is also fair to say that my comments here are reflecting on companies who wholly depended on this type of work (including me) and there will always be those jobs which are not insured and still require the service, however in light of the current climate there will be huge number of people well placed and desperate (training courses should be cheap though  ;D).

Sorry about this epic post and to throw a negative, If there is anything specific you need to know I will be more then happy to help.

Dave P.
Everyone seems normal untill you get to know them!

The Great One

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2003, 01:45:08 pm »


Thanks for that dave

Always good to talk with someone who is experienced.
No, the NCCA only bring the guy over to do the blood. When I talked to them they have just had a course but only 6 attended but it seemed a great course to be on. They have no program for these courses as it seems to depend on interest as to when they are run.

If you have any more info then yes, please get in touch.

Regards

Martin

maclock cleaning

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2004, 07:56:51 pm »
hi martin

would love any details on the trauma clean and fire and floods, as we have just started up and would like to do all kind of courses..

maclock cleaning
Newcastle Upon Tyne..........

Len Gribble

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2004, 09:41:09 pm »
Martin

I am very interested but a bit confused how dose the NCCA fit into it

Dave P update Rainbow = ISS

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

DP

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2004, 02:57:42 pm »
Len G- so does Ark & General  ;)
Everyone seems normal untill you get to know them!

Len Gribble

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2004, 06:59:42 pm »
Dave

Already knew that, wonder who’s next?

Not too sure will re-open that quickly insurance co are driven by price and price alone, but saying that, most of the experience boys probably have moved on to greener pastures.


Although training should be an asset!  But in this case a big NO NO, if one intended to be an independent this is reference to ff work.

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

DP

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2004, 10:48:42 pm »
Fire and Flood is still out there and its not uncommon to stumble across the odd job via a number of sources, and that’s ok if your not dependant on it for a living. However for me its simply no longer viable as a sole occupation which is sad after approx 25 years.

As for trauma cleaning, which was also part of a long portfolio in the disaster industry. We worked mainly for the police and various government departments and averaged about 7-8 jobs a week (sometimes double that) but for all the training and specialised equipment (like full contamination/Drager suit's and breathing apparatus £k's) and variety of work including all sorts of diseases and toxic environments, it was still crap. It was never that good money and took yonks to get paid apart from all the logistical problems.

I kept a photo album, maybe one day ill post a few tame pictures (I think they will still get pulled though).

There is a lot more to trauma then you might imagine.   
Everyone seems normal untill you get to know them!

maclock cleaning

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2004, 09:20:44 pm »
hi dp

you said you did trauma cleans where did you get your training from?

i was interested in it but im going to concentrate on my cleaning business but would still like to know a few details if u dont mind?

maclock
Newcastle Upon Tyne..........

STUART

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2004, 11:03:44 pm »
HI MARTIN,
                WOULD BE INTREASTED IN TRAUMA CLEANING. POSSIBLE LOACATION WOULD BE BE HELPFULL.

MANY THANKS

STUART

DP

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Re: Anyone interested in Trauma Cleaning?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2004, 12:28:06 am »
Maclock

It was part of 5 years of training with a company I worked for. The company run as a private sector of the fire brigade salvage corp by ex salvage corp staff (or as close as) and yes vans did have blue lights and were registered as salvage tenders. Insurers used to finance the London Fire Brigade Salvage Corp many moons ago until it was disbanded.
 
The training was very strict and often intense and both BA and toxic environment training was the same as the Brigade so we were uniquely placed to deal with most contaminations . The company capitalised on anything toxic, hazardous, nasty, horrible, poisonous or glowing and especially things that were hush hush (you would be amazed at what used to go on).

Our main uk contracts were with Thames Valley Police Essex Police and the Met.
Everyone seems normal untill you get to know them!