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carpetguy

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2006, 08:15:58 am »
What a load of unbelievable negative nonesense.............

Are you men, or mice.........

If you don't offer Leather Cleaning / Conditioning, as a service, how the hell do you expect anyone to know?

I have been cleaning leather suites for nearly twenty years and although it's true, that a damp cloth soaked in diluted Lux flakes will keep leather suites looking fresh, it's a very boring job and takes a bit more than 15 mins.

Do you wash your car, or get it washed for you, for a couple of quid. Likewise, do you wash your windows, or get a window cleaner to do them for you.........?

We've had a number of Dralon suites, over the years, which my wife cleaned regularly, with a clean, damp cloth. This kept the fabric " as new " for the time we owned the suites, just as the same treatment would keep a leather suite clean..........if done often enough, BUT, very, very few people can be bothered to do this.
The majority would love to have their sutes clean and fresh at all times, BUT, they can't afford, or believe the charges made by some cleaning companies are excessive, so they either, leave then too long, or make a half hearted effort, with Fairy liquid, or Saddle soap and realise there's a little more to it.

If you TELL YOUR CLIENTS that you clean leather and you charge realistic prices, you will get plenty to clean.

Incidentally............I live in the Northern part of the UK and leather sales have been higher up here, pro rata, for years.

But then, we 've always been the UK's innovators, in most things, BINGE DRINKING and football hooliganism, excluded.

Have yourselves a POSITIVE and PROSPEROUS 2007.

Best wishes to you all.

robbie

AquaMagic

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2006, 10:27:15 am »
I went on the LTT taster the other day, i agree with Shaun, if set up properly there is certainly money to be made in selling protector or a protector service, a suite should have the protector applied about once a quarter ish and doesnt take very long so why not get them on a DD and charge your minumin call out once a quarter to call and protect thier suite.  Only problem with this would be when customer see's how easy it is to apply at which point you could sell em the protector yourself.  Worth looking at.

Dene

vangaurd

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2006, 01:23:51 pm »
contact ben at furniture clinic top guy knows his stuff will sort u a course for£100

fresh floors

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2006, 01:25:43 pm »
contact ben at furniture clinic top guy knows his stuff will sort u a course for£100

i agree Ben is the best. attended his course and LTT and found that Ben was a better value course. also he is more approachable and friendly   :)

carpetguy

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2006, 03:59:32 pm »
Aquamagic

Where did you get the idea, that protection should be re-applied on a quarterly basis. If applied properly, protection will last 5 - 6 years and will survive several cleans.

You can tell whether it's still protecting, or in many cases, whether it's ever been applied, in the first place, as soon as you prespray, or spray / test.

If someone has told you, protector should be re-applied quarterly, something, less than honest, is taking place.

robbie


LTT Leathercare

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2006, 04:37:16 pm »
Seems you are confusing a 'protected' leather (this is another name for a pigmented leather) and leather protector. 

Leather protector will need applying 2-3 times a year depending on the type of leather you have and the colour.

A protected leather should last a lot longer than 5-6 years if it is regularly protected with leather protector.

A 'protected' leather is a leather with a clear coat finish (something like varnish on wood) this is often confused with the protection process that is applying a non permanent layer to the surface to sit between the finish coating and the dirt.

We could go on for a long time about this but it is important to protect finish coatings as body oils and general soiling will damage them which is why they need to be cleaned as damaged finishes can be expensive to repair. 
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
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IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
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Steve Chapman

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2006, 06:55:54 pm »
Hi all,

I am thinking about getting into leather cleaning in the new year and getting some training, what with all the new leather suites being sold ;D  theres got to be a market for it.

I've seen a few posts on the easy types to clean and ones to steer clear of, whats the easiest way of telling, (without getting too technical ;))

regards
steve

carpetguy

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2006, 07:56:16 am »
Judy,

I'm not confusing Protected, with Protection, in fact, I was mistakenly thinking that Aqua M
was referring to all suites, rather than Leather when referring to 3 monthly applications of protector, but I am shocked, that it's being suggested Protection is required on such a regular basis.

You stated some time ago, that the only conditioner required for leather, was water and anything else, was a waste of money and unnecessary.

Not sure what your advocating for Protection, as in my 20 years of cleaning and trialling products, I've only used one Protector on finished leather, which worked in exactly the same way as a Protector on fabric.

I only used this a few times, as I failed to see any real benefit and the outcome, as is usually the case, when adding on costs to consumers.............is longer periods between cleans, or requests for the basic cleaning, only.

It's all very well, suggesting that the cleaning services, add on as much as possible, to maximise sales...........but I'm afraid, the reality, is quite different.

With furniture prices getting lower, including leather, consumers are not going to accept a cleaning cost, which represents around 20% of replacement cost............neither would I.

Everyone is looking for VALUE and this is generally perceived as COST EFFECTIVE.

This doesn't mean CHEAP, but it must represent GOOD VALUE FOR MONEY and cleaning a leather suite, is a lot easier than cleaning fabric, so why "kill the goose"

If there is a drop in individual cleaners volume, of work, perhaps they should take a close look at.....

What standards they are delivering

What they are charging

How they present themselves

and be totally honest about the results.

Being polite, well mannered and giving an impression of confidence and competence, goes a long way.

robbie 


Steve Chapman

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2006, 06:54:29 pm »
Hi all,

I am thinking about getting into leather cleaning in the new year and getting some training, what with all the new leather suites being sold ;D  theres got to be a market for it.

I've seen a few posts on the easy types to clean and ones to steer clear of, whats the easiest way of telling, (without getting too technical ;))

regards
steve

Len Gribble

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2006, 08:44:52 pm »
Judy

Which one am I on? You called it! Please have the courtesy to tell me.

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

carpetguy

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2006, 11:55:20 pm »
Was it something you said, Len ?

All the posts from Judy B have been polite and informative, but she seems to be " slinging you a deaffy "

robbie

LTT Leathercare

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2006, 11:25:14 am »
Len

At the moment the Farnham course is fully booked for the morning session.  If we get other enquiries I will be splitting people out into their preferred morning or afternoon slot.  This will be done early in the new year.  Anyone who has booked a place so far is guaranteed one.  As this was being filled from 2 places I have to wait until the new year to get any numbers from the NFS.  Looking forward to seeing you all there on Feb 9th. 


I am not ignoring everyone we have just been very busy.

There still seems to be the same confusion as before over 'conditioning' and 'protecting'. 

The only 'conditioner' leather needs is moisture (water) so conditioners that contain waxes oils and silicones will probably not be doing any good.  These are very different to protectors.  Protectors act like a scotchgard and protect the finish on the leather from dirt and oils.  On an unfinished leather they inhibit the leather from absorbing dirt and oils.

I do not know of any protector on the market which will last as long as 5-6 years.  There is one that lasts up to 2 years but people are not prepared to pay the price of it and also like ones that have to be reapplied as there is re-sales to be made.  There are not many very good protectors on the market which is why it is important that you know how to test the one you are using to make sure it works efficiently otherwise there will be no benefit. Many suppliers have now calling their product  a  protector instead of a conditioner  without changing the product which means that they do not work properly as a protector.  Even more reason to test.  There are some good ones on the market, protectors that work are usually more expensive due to the chemicals they are made from and the testing that goes into them.

As for testing leathers:

Leathers are usually simply classified as A: Aniline, P: Pigmented, N: Nubuck.  Unfortunately with the many cross over leathers that are now on the market these categories are not sufficient any more.  We like to classify leathers as those that will absorb moisture and those that do not.  Leathers that do not absorb moisture will clean well if the right products and proceedures are used.  Those that do absorb moisture need to be cleaned in a different way and there are other very easy products that can be used to make them look good again.  It is best to test moisture absorption with a foamed cleaning product rather than water as some leathers are hydrophobated which would repel water but will not repel a cleaning foam. (This often happens with Nubuck)

However if you want to specifically identify what leather you have there are 5 tests that will tell you the type of leather you are dealing with. 

Visual
Touch
Scratch
Moisture absorption
Microscope (this needs to be a 30x to be able to see the correct results, a linen tester or magnifier will not show the same details) A microscope test will enable you to see exactly what has been done to the surface of the leather.

Anyone who is interested in learning should come on one of our free workshop sessions in the New Year. 

Hope this helps everyone.

Kind regards and a Happy New Year to everyone.

Judy



http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

Barry Livingstone

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2006, 01:33:18 pm »
just back in from doing 500 leaflets 90% of suites i seen in L/Rm windows were leather and wooden floors........ :'( :'(

when you coming to scotland with your leather courses?
Carpet, Upholstery cleaning & hard floor cleaning.
                     Fife, perth and tayside.

LTT Leathercare

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2006, 02:30:30 pm »
Will be doing a free session in either Glasgow or Edinburgh in the New Year, just trying to finalise some dates.

Regards
Judy
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

Steve Chapman

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2006, 03:30:49 pm »
Judy
are you doing any  courses in the new year for the south west, we get a bit forgotten about down here (Dorset/Devon)

I know several who would be interested if only it was a bit nearer us?

Exeter / Bournemouth would be good ;D


regards
steve

LTT Leathercare

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2006, 04:11:09 pm »
We may well be doing one in that area shortly.  When we can finalise dates I will make sure they are posted on here so that you all know.  We will be covering as many places as we can during 2007.

Regards
Judy
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

carpetguy

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2006, 07:04:31 pm »
Glad to hear you're coming, hopefully, to the Glasgow area, soon,  it's an awful lot easier to park around Glasgow than Edinburgh.

What kind of premises do you require, I'd be happy to find somewhere suitable.

robbie

LTT Leathercare

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2006, 10:16:54 am »
Robbie

Thanks for your help

Can you give me a ring in the New Year and I can let you know what our plans are.

Thanks
Judy
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

matt jones

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Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2007, 05:23:08 pm »
I to would be interested in attending one of your courses if it was down in the southwest area Exeter Devon.
matt

stevegunn

Re: leather cleaning
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2007, 05:42:35 pm »
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http://www.furnitureclinic-trade.co.uk/