[Neil Grainger]

My comments were not ment as a slag of  for the NCCA as I think they have good points as well but they just didn't suite me at the time.

Rab, I never think that I am better than anyone else just try to set my own standards that i would want from anyone doing work for me. I hate the feeling of being ripped off so would not do it to someone else.

Cheers

Neil

[Robert Watson]

I never said, you did think you were better. Did I come across wrong 
I`ll read it again tomorrow.
Another Tequila calls.
Cheers
Rab

[craigp]

i thought Rab was for 'Rab c nesbit', not 'Raberto' 

[Neil Grainger]

Secound bottle of red after getting back from football. Having to watch X factor with the kids, why oh why oh why

Didn't think you did.

Cheers

Neil

[Robert Watson]

Craig,
I`m going to kick your arse. So ah will
Good night ya shower ye

[Liahona]

Art, when I joined the N.C.C.A. I was allowed to do so because I was an I.I.C.R.C. tech. Coming from the U.S. I didnt even know of it..... I didnt have to do any other courses of any type, I was just ok'd to join with respect of the I.I.C.R.C. With that in mind as you can not be with the I.I.C.R.C. by being a member of the N.C.C.A. I would suggest the selectiveness favours the I.I.C.R.C.  For my own reasons I have nothing to do with the N.C.C.A. but remain with the I.I.C.R.C. In parting it is too easy and I mean tooooo easy to become a member of the N.C.C.A. and for this I will always advocate it being way more difficult. I do like the idea with the I.I.C.R.C. that you have to stay up with "education" with continual credits, maybe something the N.C.C.A. might want to look into. I also like the various different catagories to be qualified in. I feel the N.C.C.A. is just a little too generic. Anyway, best, Dave.

[Art]

Dave, when you joined the NCCA did you have both IICRC carpet and upholstery credits?

Arthur

[Liahona]

Art, yes amongst quite a few others. Best, Dave.

[Derek]

CORGI Registered...you are holding this name up to be the epitomy of acreditation...what you may not know is that there are varying degrees of Corgi registration.

Although a logo on their van or stationary may say Corgi Registered giving the implication that they are totaly trained...they may be only trained in one particular discipline...my daughter found this out the hard way when she employed a Corgi registered technician.

We had to contact their Trade body to sort out the mess...it was only then we discovered the technician employed wasn't qualified to do that particular work.

When selling my membership of the NCCA I always say, "there may be excellent carpet cleaners listed in the various directories who are not members ..but how can you tell"?
An NCCA member has at least had basic training and has the support of the Association...

[Neil Grainger]

Derek

Would you say the 2 day course to join is giving you knowlege of carpet cleaning or just the basics without any practical experience.

How can an organisation send out members not knowing if they can use the Chemicals or equipment in their armery properley without any practical exams to say they are acredited.

I think the NCCA should have different degree's of membership from Junior to Senior depending on experience and explain the level of differences on their website. The more qualifications you have the higher the level they get.

This would make sure all your members are joining for the right reasons and not just to use the NCCA name in their marketing.

Cheers

Neil

[Ian Gourlay]

If you think the main benfit of The NCCA is to give you crediability, you can also achieve this with  IICRC.

If you become a Certified firm you can promoted on the IICRC Web Site


I would think NCCA however gets more Public enquiries.

Can you link your site to NCCA or IICRC to help improve search engine ratings.

However if you have lots of NCCA members in your Area that might not work very well.


NCCA gives you a voice.  It is the Voice of the UK industry.


What are the chances of them Acting on any motion I care to put forward if they are member.

I did enqiuire what happens at a NCCA meeting but was told this information is for those who attended and the membership.


Will the Minutes be published in the EXCELLENT NCCA Magazine, or are they available to members through the Web Site.

NCCA acts as an arbitration service in case of dispute.

Does IICRC do this.

Would my Insurance company do this.


Is there a charge for this service.

Do I want an outside person involved.  After all I offer a Satisfaction Guarantee,


Some people belong to both apart from being a Good industry person is there any advantage.

Both have Conferences but must say NCCA conference price would not have broken bank.


Ken has done a Fantastic job with NCCA roadshows making it more of a Networking Organization.

[Derek]

Neil

Of course not....delegates are expected and encouraged to further their education.. I ask you in return...what is the alternative?

Many cleaners buy a machine plus a few chemicals and launch themselves at the public and 'then' seek out these forums for advice on how to clean...surely that is putting the cart before the horse. Some of the advice given out is often contradictory and, dare I say, incorrect.  :
Ken has put a lot of time and effort into the NCCA Roadshows and yet we still only get the dedicated ones who bother to turn up...you can almost name them all in advance.... the cost is kept minimal

They were originally going to be free but some folk booked and never turned up, not even a telephone call to say they weren't coming... catering for them had been organised and still had to be paid for.

[Art]

Art, yes amongst quite a few others. Best, Dave.

Dave,

Well in that case you misunderstood my post .

What i was saying was that you can pass as a carpet cleaner with the IICRC then become a technician.
The NCCA will not let you join using this route unless you've done both c/c and upholstery with the IICRC.

So you can be an IICRC tecnician without having ever touched upholstery.

Arthur

[Len Gribble]

Is there a link between ncca and bics do like the word British.

Len

[Liahona]

Art, maybe I did misunderstand your post. And you are correct you can be an I.I.C.R.C. tech with out having touched upholstery but you cant be an upholstery tech. Hope this makes sense. Best, Dave.