[davep]

Thanks paul,

Just recieved my Fibre Buff,  it says what mix to make up with the shampoo and Oxi..  It also says leave to dry,  dont extract?

[matt jones]

hehe i have read that to i think you just apply the foam and leave to brighten up which it does very quick. You could probably hwe the piece of upholstery first then apply this mixture. The thing i didn't like about this mixture is it needs to be used within 30 mins of mixing i think. Wouldn't this be a great way of cleaning cotton/cotton prints or not as i understand natural fibres can be a pain in the arse to clean to a good standard with just hwe.
matt

[davep]

so no good without HWE?

[Ken Wainwright]

It would appear that many of you are unfamiliar or inexperienced with upholstery cleaning techniques beyond the HWE system.

If I were to organise an NCCA Upholstery Cleaning Workshop, for members and non-members alike, is there enough interest to make this worthwhile?

It would be in the Midlands next springtime.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Derek]

Can I come please Uncle Ken?

[*paul_moss]

Ken
You are one of the most knowledgable cleaners on this site and I would certainly come.

[davep]

I would also come Ken, what are your thoughts on this magic mix?

[Mike Halliday]

 why run a course teaching old techniques, I have'nt used the oxy/firbebuff/shampoo method in years,

Mike

[carpetguy]

Have you a secret Mike ?

I've never used the mix, but have used just about every other product / method available.

robbie

[*paul_moss]

Mike
As you well know a day like this is of great value to cleaners old and new( experience wise).
If you only learn one thing new from a day like this its worth going.
Also you get to meet other guys and share experiences,tips etc.
So go and have another glass of red and make sure your arse is there on the day Haliday.

[davep]

So what are the benefits and disadvatages of this mix lads?

[Ken Wainwright]

Of course you can come come along Uncle Derek, I've already volunteered you as an instructor


Mike makes a valid point about why run a course teaching old techniques?  I prefer to call them traditional techniques. Well, most training courses of value will have already taught these techniques but, in a world dominated by HWE, many will have forgotton the instruction before they had the opportunity to put the teachings into practice, and possibly by that time, the techniques had been forgotton about anyway. Hence the motivation for a workshop.

As time permits, I'll do some research re. premises etc. cost it and come back to you with my proposals.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[carpetguy]

Ken

You appear to have risen to the challenge and are offering what the industry needs. A basis for credibility and raised public awareness through training.

I hate the concept of, certification over experience, but it's the way, things are going and will enable the public to make informed decisions.

I've mentioned this before and fully understand and apreciate, the negativity, but there is anew vibrance within this forum and you should all embrace the opportunity, rather than attempt to " stick your finger in the wall ".

Ken has already arranged a recent " discovery " day. I never read any feedback, but imagine it was helpfull to all who attended.

robbie
   

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

It's worth bearing in mind that the shampoo / oxibrite method is really bleaching rather than cleaning.

If you have a really light suite you could mist with oxibrite as a finish to remove stubborn stains like coffee etc but bear in mind you will lighten all the colours.

I sometimes do this on suites as well as carpets but you have to leave it to work.You also need to prepare a fresh solution each time as most of the oxygen is released within the first 30 mins.

As for foam cleaners this is really a way of reducing water and I would suggest a misting with pre spray, work in with microfibre cloth and a light rinsing with hwe will be at least as effective.

I'm not saying old methods are of no use but the advent of effective HWE with quality hand tools has rendered most obsolete.

Cheers

Doug

p.s it would be worth getting together to discuss upholstery cleaning as I'm sure just talking to other experienced cleaners would be informative.

[jacko]

I do a lot of suites, and would find a hands on course very helpful - count me in Ken....

[Derek]

Doug

I have to disgree with you...under the right conditions and with care the so called magic mix can be used without affecting colours.

I carried out some trial some years ago for a large Company who on the strength of the results took on a major National contract from another organisation who were taking colour out of fabrics.
Prochem have their system but I came up with my own variation which I considered less risky (sorry Prochem) and this was susequently introduced onto the NCCA training courses... it produced outstanding results.

Just throwing some these chemicals into a bucket and using will lead to problems but there is a way... this is why I am often wary about putting ideas onto an open forum where without full explanations and demonstrations chemicals can be misused with dire consequences

I reckon that using my system in the correct manner I could out clean Mr Halliday with any modern day techniques 

[davep]

Share you magic potion with us Derek!

[Mike Halliday]

Derek I'd take you up on that offer!

to 'out-clean me' would mean to take more dirt out of the fabric or carpet

unless the training has changed then you are referring to the oxy/fibrebuff/shampoo mix mentioned already, which you taught me on my course.

This is the formula recommended by prochem to use on coffee stains or browning, they state to leave the solution on the carpet, so this says to me it doesn't clean but chemically alters of the appearance of the stain and not remove dirt

now I use a method which gives me equally good results but with less mess and is quicker.

mike

[*paul_moss]

Ohh Mike
You give a hard fight.

Derek
Think you might have to give him his training course fee back. 

[Derek]

No so fast Paul

I stand by what I have already said...  Providing the correct procedures are followed I can still remove the soil and obtain a pleasing result without affecting colours using the solutions outlined....and take out as much if not more dirt than Mr Halliday  :

The complete method I use with them has yet to be even mentioned here.

Mike ...on the course I did for many years discuss the procedure but as I have said on numerous occasions many cleaning technicians do not follow procedures/rules as taught. This is why we get so many comments on the forums that this chemical doesn't work or that machine doesn't work.
When you get down to the nitty gritty there has been a procedure missed out somewhere along the line.

By the way I still, to this day, use a few stain removal procedures to great effect that are not contained in todays training courses ....some of these techniques date back to the 1920-30's....a bit before my time I hasten to add ..nevertheless they work often better than modern day equivalents  :