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Sarah Sarill

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2006, 09:17:40 am »
I NEVER thought Id see the day.........
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Roger,

You have had some very honest advice from the guys - most of which I can endorse.

Regarding tools and set up.  You can get a half decent system from many suppliers that will give you a trolley, small RO Man and pole, which is great if you want to do things simply and have the back up service and advice contacts (This   is  the option I would recommend on start up). Approx £995

Money can be saved by prcing these parts yourself (or even buying the water from Tosh or Ian for a few months) whilst saving for kit.

Get some  prices from RO Man direct, Concept O2 do an 18ft pole (inc Head) for £99 and get a cheap backpack (Tosh will know where from - hes the backpack mentor here  ;D)  Probably cost you £600.

You can always upgrade when you have used wfp and know its for you.

Im sure Tosh and Ian will take you out for a few days but if not then we will be more than happy to.

Sarah
Sarah

DASERVICES

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2006, 09:25:13 am »

  Squeeky,

  I am the most sceptic person around and decided to give WFP a go. Have
  not looked back, increased earnings up by 30%. In fact so I am know going
  to take Jan off.

  The first few months are a right pain, you will loose money.

  My advise is make sure you are trained properly and do not spend
  excesive money, the end results are the same with a £1k system as it
  is with a £5k system.

  I am that impressed with WFP and wish more folk would follow that I am
  thinking of hire out a trolley system for a week or so, this way they will
  see the benefits.

  Doug

geefree

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2006, 01:20:16 pm »
well i bought a backpack for £200.. a used pole and brush..(40ft but taken it down).. £160...
 and i am going to be buying my water until i get a ro...

thats not a bad start up price in my opinion squeaky.

gary.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2006, 01:32:37 pm »
That's good Gary. :)

My only concern with a backpack is having a dodgy back the weight will be a problem over long periods.

I'm strong as you like, but my back gives me pain. :(

Wouldn't you have to keep filling it up too?

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2006, 01:43:28 pm »
Squeaks  :'( :'( :-[

You were the one that got me swearing my allegiance to traditional! I can`t believe it, I'm gutted  :'(

geefree

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2006, 01:57:16 pm »
yes , i will have to keep filling it up, but for the odd awkward window here and there..( and that is what i got wfp for initially)... its not a prob.... when i use it more and more i will buy a pump to fill it from containers in the van... but for now a couple of 25 litre containers full will be ok for me....and when it gets too much i may just place it on a trolley... or buy one...

i like cleaning trad... but wfp means i can leaflet drop just about every house now instead of hand picking the houses.... as i aint as confident as you pros putting my ladders at an angle for porches... alone .. or walking on sloping roofs... and wary of damage etc...

the backpacks are not too heavy after a window or two has been done.

gary.

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2006, 02:30:22 pm »
i like cleaning trad... but wfp means i can leaflet drop just about every house now instead of hand picking the houses.... as i aint as confident as you pros putting my ladders at an angle for porches... alone .. or walking on sloping roofs... and wary of damage etc...


gary.

Gary, one of Prince Charles's window cleaners is severely brain damaged after a fall.  He was 52 years old (I think) and very probably extremely professional.

There's nothing professional about risking yourself doing dodgy stuff.


LSB

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2006, 03:13:17 pm »
last year i bought 35ft pole di tank etc , but not for van mounted ( im not sure enough about it )  i have only used it a few times and am not that keen on it , but will admit i wouldnt have got those jobs without it ! it has however paid for itself ! the majority of my work is normal 3 bed houses , and im not sure if changing over would be any easier   i certainly wouldnt go for a van as i wouldnt be able to park near enough to most of them ........ but i may look at these backpack thingys i keep reading about .. if squeeky does go wfp !!

Ian_Giles

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2006, 04:22:43 pm »
Good to see you’ve gritted your teeth and asked the question on the forum Rog…

You are welcome to come along and see it in action…been trying to get you to do that for bloody months now!
But this isn’t a challenge; it is simply to show you the system in action on domestic houses.
I’ve mentioned more than once about this large bungalow I do, you don’t need a ladder if you do it trad but with WFP it is quite literally twice as fast and you have the added bonus of cleaning all the frames too, and all with less effort than you would exert were you to do it trad.
I’ve got quite a few domestics to do next week, take a morning off on either Tuesday or Wednesday and come along  and see it in action.
As you know I am full van mount so you will be able to see how easy or frustrating it is dragging metres of hose around.

I’m sure Tosh would also show you how he works with his backpack method.
 
You can at least see then precisely how effortless (relative) WFP can be in use and also how quickly you can work without rushing and you can also pop back and check the results.
You can even grab hold of my pole and give it a waggle if you like too!
At the moment, you have very little that you would regard as high, so you would not need an enormous pole setup, strain on your back should be pretty minimal I would think.
You will certainly have aches and pains from using it, you will have no end of teething problems, you will have to contend with customers complaining, you will probably lose a few customers too, and you will also make mistakes, you WILL get spots! And you WILL at times wish you’d never invested in the bloody contraption!

You have to relearn your round, your approach to the job will have to be very different, every account you have will have to be planned differently, and for the first few weeks you are going to be slower.

It is a steep learning curve, you have to learn to walk before you can run, and you will find that frustrating in the extreme…

However, when you get around to repeat cleans you will be amazed how much easier everything starts to become, that house that had you snarling in impotent frustration last month is suddenly a doddle, you will start to feel guilty on some accounts and deliberately slow down if they are in (I still do now on some) and you will also find yourself actually picking up new work as a direct result of having WFP.
You have no idea how easy…say, that Georgian bungalow you do up at ST Arvans will become or that other house with the horrible deep set panes (No 47?) Though you will still need you ladder to get over the garage roof)

As for a van….why?
There are other options…
If I started over I would have gone for a trailer system From Peter Fogwill, it is the same one you see in that rather controversial thread I started.
Working out the back of the car trashed the blasted thing, the car stank of water and mildew.
I’d have also got a backpack for fiddly stuff.
I’m still happy with the Unger poles, they are lightweight and cheap, and for the sort of height you will be working at, they are perfect.

With a little ingenuity I am sure you can work out a way of transferring your water from the back to the front of the house, I know you rent so drilling holes through the walls may not be a possibility! But there are bound to be ways if you put your mind to it.
If you are knocking out over a ton every day, you are doing bloody well, and what with Em working too you should have the means to save some money surely??
Get a bank loan for a couple of grand, even if you don’t even earn more than you are doing at the present, surely you can find 25 quid a week out of £500+ ??

You know where I am, you are welcome to bend my ear any time you like.


Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2006, 04:46:15 pm »
Dear Roger,

If you want you're welcome to borrow my gear for a weekend, if you want to try it on friends and family.  I'll even supply you with all the water you need.

Honest. 

I know you've been really rude to me, and I've been nothing but lovely to you on this forum, but I'll forgive you, mate, the good guy I am!

I'll even give you a quick lesson on how to do it on my house and my neighbors; (who don't have a window cleaner, they just wait for me to clean them for free)!

If you've back problems, I doubt a backpack would be for you; a trailer system or a van-mounted system would be better, particularly if you want to do 100% WFP, which is obviously quicker.

But you could try it.

I never carry my backpack full; I'm quite happy to keep topping it up as I go, pulling spare water along with me on a folding sack truck.

So I'll lend you all the gear, water and a lesson; just for the price of a slab of good quality German beer!

I can't be fairer than that!  Can I?

Tosh.





P®oPole™

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2006, 04:48:52 pm »
Tosh or Squeaky

Do you guys actually talk when you bump into eachother around town?

Im confused with your relationship, at times it seems like your arch rivals.


Johnboyfree

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2006, 04:52:52 pm »
Tosh or Squeaky

Do you guys actually talk when you bump into eachother around town?

Im confused with your relationship, at times it seems like your arch rivals.



Me Too,actually I thought they could all be married to each other ;D ;D ;D


Johnboyfree

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2006, 04:57:51 pm »
I will admit it is nice to see free advice,offers of work and working practice bieng offered between these members,cant think of any other trade where this would happen.....keep it up

Ian_Giles

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2006, 05:00:47 pm »
We get on fine the lot of u ;)s..well, except for one pillock who isn't part of the forum.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Moderator David@stives

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2006, 05:12:29 pm »
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Right, now listen up you lot!

I'm getting very bored of climbing ladders and doing the same old stuff for £100-130 a day.
I'm tired and fed up.
Luckily for me it's bungalows tomorrow.

Looks like if I'm going to carry on I'll need one of these Bogbrush things.

I can't do much about it now, as I've got no ready cash, and no van or place to make water.

However.....

Am I really going to be that much better off?

Your turnover will increase if you can find the extra work to go with your investment.
  I turn down less work since I went wfp
 I now work at a faster pace on upstairs windows , to say 50% faster is very optimistic, I still do ground floor windows by hand , there really is no time to be gained there unless they are georgeon , leaded etc.  Lately my workload has increased ,

To sum up

groundfloor same speed ,give or take.

First floor and above definately faster , I reckon up to 50%  faster.

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Is it really that much less tiring?

I dont think it is less tiring, I reckon you still use the same amount of calories, but saying that I probably work longer than I ever did, whether that is due to me giving up smoking or getting less bored, I dont know.

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Am I going to get annoyed with constant problems, like it seems on here?If your nature is to get annoyed easily, wfp will drive you nuts, what with the hose constantly getting looped around everything it can find, and the constant walking back to see what the hose it stuck on, especially when you only needed to get 3 foot further,.

There is a learning curve with the equipment which you will soon get over, but its worth it in the end, I had one employee who never got as stressed as me with the hose getting stuck etc, and he usually laughed at me getting constantly stressed, 18 months on i am much calmer and I now know what i am doing more with the equipment.

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I need to make enough extra to pay for equipment and a van and still be better off.
It wont happen overnight , but by the very fact you have got wfp you will find extra jobs to cover it eventually, ie gutter jobs, third floor windows and all those windows which you always had to leave

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I know some like Neil are going to say I'll be an overnight millionaire, but I'd be interested to hear from Ross or Dave of St.Ives, as they seem to not had a major increase in profits.

My profits are steadily creeping up now, mostly due to taking on more lucrative work, I have now got one or two big contracts which i would not have looked twice at before wfp.

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Lets have some good answers, not "it's safer", I know that.

Lets not have a load of abuse either, I never said I was going to prefer the results, just the effort and the money.

Cheers, Rog. (sorry it's been a long post)


To sum up

I am a lot happier since going down the wfp route , I now turnover 20% more money than i did over 12 months ago before wfp.

I use wfp on tops only now, there are too many variables to be considered if you use it on everything,
Also it is easier for the customer to accept if you use it tops only to start with, you can experiment on the odd ground floor bungalow etc, but for me a squeegie is the best all rounder for ground floor.
The reason i bought wfp was to get rid of the ladder not to get rid of the squeegie.

If i have not covered what you need to know, ask me a question

Dave



Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2006, 05:12:59 pm »
Tosh or Squeaky

Do you guys actually talk when you bump into eachother around town?

Im confused with your relationship, at times it seems like your arch rivals.



I've told Wor Lass that she's got to 'knock him out' the next time she bumps into him.

We hate each other! ;D

Good post Dave.

macc

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2006, 05:57:44 pm »
It sounds to me there married ProPole.  :-*

P®oPole™

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2006, 05:59:30 pm »
Lol macc  ;D ;D ;D

Thats what I first thought ;)

ProPole

macc

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2006, 06:06:01 pm »
Amazing dont you think ProPole. What we were talking about yesterday, go on the forem, and this topic.

Macc

P®oPole™

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2006, 06:09:23 pm »
I know mate, strange isnt it.

He has allways wanted a system, but like we said he dug himsef a big hole, that welsh pride has stopped him for so long ;D ;D

Great minds think alike macc ;)

You on the beers tonight matey? mite crack one open myself ;) need to let my hair down abit, well it is a friday isnt it ;D ;D

ProPole