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billozz

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #120 on: October 30, 2006, 07:29:12 am »
squeaks,
dont be fooled by all the hype, you will definately have problems with a pole system, some of the probs we have had have almost made us consider going back to trad, poles wearing, non kink hose kinking, pumps failing, customers moaningit is very frustrating at times and you will feel like chucking it in the skip on occassions,....but but but, it is quicker than most trad ppl can work and less tiring and as some have said when you get used to how to use it you can earn cosiderably more than trad, be prepared for problems though you will get em
bill
there are more windows than window cleaners so lets help each other

billozz

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #121 on: October 30, 2006, 07:29:54 am »
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there are more windows than window cleaners so lets help each other

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2006, 08:00:31 am »
squeaks,
dont be fooled by all the hype, you will definately have problems with a pole system, some of the probs we have had have almost made us consider going back to trad, poles wearing, non kink hose kinking, pumps failing, customers moaningit is very frustrating at times and you will feel like chucking it in the skip on occassions,....but but but, it is quicker than most trad ppl can work and less tiring and as some have said when you get used to how to use it you can earn cosiderably more than trad, be prepared for problems though you will get em
bill
Cheers Bill, there's one of my big problems.
I don't want a lot of headaches and let-downs.

Can't someone sell me a reliable system? ???

neil100

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2006, 08:27:31 am »
Bill,

Of course you will have problems with wfp. It goes with the territory.

But carrying spares will allways mean you can fix it their and then or at the end of the day. Example, You damage your pole, you cannot use it, You have no spare, Stop work go home and order a new pole. hang around for three days waiting for your pole to be deleiverd cursing wfp because you cant earn any money.

Thats not wfp fault, Its down to the individual who as not had the forsight to carry a spare pole should that sitiuation ever arise.

The poles dont last long, granted. I use an 18' pole mainly. I buy cheap poles. Target time to last is a year then throw it away. If it lasts longer all well and good. I have been wfp for 10 months and all my poles are going strong not had to throw one away yet, I bought 2 new predator 18' poles last week, they only cost £79 plus vat from Brodex. Metal collar and butt on them as well. Hardly an expensive item less then 3 hours work for one.

I use m/bore hose, its never kinked on me. I have got it caught on stuff before but that is something you just except. But if you are aware what you can snag the hose on you can minimize snaging.

I think when you start wfp you allways seam to tinker with your system, trying to improve it wasting your free time. But when you have it set up perfectly and you have been at wfp for a while it does not take a lot more of your free time to get ready for the next days work.

Squeaks may not move to wfp, only he can make that choice but at least he is considering it. I thought about wfp for 2 years, thinking yes I wiil change, No I wiil stay trad. I did not think I would ever switch because I was perfectly content in the main with trad w/c. Wfp seamed an all new ball game.

The turning point for me came when I asked my freind to come round and demonstrate on my house how good it was. He kept telling me I would earn more money with it. In your dreams mate was my reply.

Despite it being a demo and me having a go on few windows, he was about 15 mins faster then me doing it trad, I was impressed with the results when they had dried, but I could not beleive how much quicker and safer it was.

On a personal note I hated it. I did three windows and my arms where wrecked. I thought if I do switch I will be safer I expect I will earn more money but I will never enjoy w/c again to the same degree.

Within 4 months of the demo I had my van set up, Though I waited untill the turn of the year to unleash it in all its raging fury on my customers.

My biggest worry was that my round would be devasted by customers leaving me in there droves and a system that I hated leaving me wanting to return to trad w/c.

But the biggest worry being I got it wrong big time.

10 months on, I love wfp, much more then trad w/c, honestly. I find it very therapeutic for some reason. If wfp got banned for some reason I might leave w/c alltogether as I do not want to go back full time to ladders.

My round is now growing at a massive rate. In the last 2 months I have lost £110.00 of work but gained £750.00 of new work. My average weekly wage as increased over the last 43 weeks by over 50%. But I am still not working any longer hours then when I was trad, and the real positive is I am nowere near as tired as I was this time last year being a trad w/c.

For me its been the right move I only wish I had done it years ago.

I am glad I am not in your position Squeaks, It is really hard to decide what to do and despite what people write none of us can stop you worrying weather its the right thing for you to do. Even if you decide to stay trad it will allways nag you in the back of your mind when you are up a ladder where would I be now if I had gone wfp.

All the best.

Nel 8) ???  

Ian_Giles

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2006, 08:40:01 am »
If for some strange reason they banned WFP I'd dump window cleaning like a hot brick.

I agree with Neil on that one for sure, not a snowballs chance in hell of me ever going back to working off a ladder.

Bill is right though Rog, you will certainly have lots of frustrations and headaches and it'll take a few weeks before you begin to sort them out.
You will have customers moaning, no doubt some will cancel, pumps sticking or not working, worrying about the TDS, worrying about how much water you are using, problems with spotting (at least to begin with)

Will it suit you?

No idea, but come along with me and Tosh and see two different methods in action, Tomo may also be happy to show you a trolley system in action too...


Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Paul Coleman

Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #125 on: October 30, 2006, 06:14:46 pm »
But Squeaky, still burning with desire to put to death the disciples of the Great Pure Water God, went to the high priest of Tosh, 2 And made a request for letters from him to the Synagogues of Damascus, so that if there were any of the Way there, men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Chepstow. 3 And while he was journeying, he came near Damascus; and suddenly he saw a light from heaven shining round him; 4 And he went down on the earth while falling from his ladder, and a voice said to him, Squeaky, Squeaky, why are you attacking me so cruelly? 5 And he said, Who are you, Lord? And he said, I am the Great Pure Water God, whom you are attacking: 6 But get up, and go into the town, and it will be made clear to you what you have to do. 7 And the men who were with him were not able to say anything; hearing the voice, but seeing no one. 8 And Squeaky got up from the earth, and when his eyes were open, he saw nothing; and he was guided by the hand into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was not able to see, and he took no food or drink.

10 Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ian; and the Lord said to him in a vision, Ian and he said, Here I am, Lord. 11 And the Lord said to him, Get up, and go to the street which is named Howard Road, and make search at the house of Omnipole for one named Squeaky of Chepstow: for he is at prayer; asking the Great Pure Water God about which system to buy.

Adapted from the book of Acts in the Bible.  :)  (hope no-one gets the hump about that).  It's applying the overnight conversion of Saul on the road to Damascus to Squeaky's first flirtation with WFP  :-)

Bet this one gets deleted :-)

neil100

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #126 on: October 30, 2006, 06:35:31 pm »
Better to have a giggle Shiner.

My only worry is Squeaky could be put to death by Stoneing because of His Zealot Evangelism for the Traditonal Window Cleaning God and his fanatical followers ::) before His wfp conversion.

Nel ::)

Terry_Burrows

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #127 on: October 30, 2006, 06:49:47 pm »
right time to put the record again straight,Jim willihgham Frank lauret dont know who the other guys are,for a start they do not stick to Guinness Rules fact!Guinness book went to france with me to find all this was true what I said about America France was fact,they do not have any sill to wipe ??? and whats more its crooked as you like contest, I have beaten these boys on there own turf,they dont bother me jack poo!
they are not good enough ;D 8) when I was there in 1997 vegas,I took the fastest time over 2 days,who did they give it to,an American bent as you like,sky news was there with me,you can butter these boys up all you like,there is only one Guinness World Record Holder and thats me,and I do not intend to down :o ;D 8) at least to them :-X
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D.Salkeld_Ltd

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #128 on: October 30, 2006, 07:46:22 pm »
Now if we Great Pure Water God worshipers could convert Terry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that WOULD be a Mirical(SPELLING!!)

Come on Terry.........You know HE's calling YOU!!!!

David
Not Perfect - But Honest

Terry_Burrows

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #129 on: October 30, 2006, 08:05:13 pm »
He might be david but I cant hear him :-\ ;D
and I forgot to add I did the windows in just 8.24 seconds :o ::) and I did get 2 penaltys how bad was I ;D :o WATCH AT NEC  ;D 07 AND PROPOLE you have never been to IWCA convention have you :-\ its bent as a 9 bob note I been and seen it :P so do not comment how pro like they are,they are krap :P
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GUINNESS WORLD RECORD HOLDER
BURNING RUBBER FASTER!
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF MASTER WINDOW CLEANERS.

P®oPole™

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...! New
« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2006, 10:01:01 pm »
Hi Terry

Firstly let me clarify, I was not having a dig at you personally infact I have alot of respect for you, when I met you at Windex 2006 you seemed like a very nice guy. I would also like to add that I am indeed glad that the title is in English hands.

However there are a couple of things what I would like to point out, the whole compition is bent if you think about it, you can go right into anything like this "oh but they use a different squeegee" "they dont have a sill"  The apllicators would have to be damp to the exact same degree. if it was 100% fair everyone would use the same squeegee and every one would have a brank spanking new factory cut blade also the worst thing is your fellow committee chums are your judges. And you the actuall world champ are the judge to every U.k contestent those two things alone are enough for me to call our U.K comp bent as a nine bob note!! ;)


Also only two mistakes is very good, I hope you hold the crown, but  watch out for Takeo he is very quick.

ProPole

billozz

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Re: Come on, sell wfp to me...!
« Reply #131 on: October 31, 2006, 03:57:26 pm »
i would never try to talk sqeaks out of going the wfp route because i do think that all in all it is better than trad safer, quicker, and does a better job for the customer, but it does, or i should say we, have had some serious problems that we were not forwarned about and did not expect.
To go neils route would have meant us having to by double of almost everything, not cost effective me thinks or practical, i wont bore you with the details as i have mentioned on here already some of the probs that we have had, but youcant buy two of everything just in case it fails, and if you are new to wfp how can you possibly "foresee" problems
there are more windows than window cleaners so lets help each other