[tatman]

Been looking at varoius wfp trolley systems but my knowledge of them i must admit is pretty limited. Was away from window cleaning for many years now been back trad cleaning for a just over a year and am being drawn towards going wfp of some sort. Most of my work is houses at present any ideas where to start. Anyone use the freedom trolley? It is any good or are there better systems around? Want to dip my toe in first before going right in. Also do any of you guys use van mounted wfp for domestic of is it to much hassle. 

[windows_chepstow]

Tatman, what system you choose really depends on what vehicle you plan to use.

Do you plan to use a car or a van?

[Jake]

If you are sold on the idea of the 'Freedom Trolley', your making a good choice, we have used 1 for over 6 months now, a great piece of kit. Wouldn't recommend it, if using out of a car boot though.

                                      Regards..........Jake

[tatman]

how much water do you go through on an average day jake?

[tatman]

will be using a van

[Extremeclean]

If you are sold on the idea of the 'Freedom Trolley', your making a good choice, we have used 1 for over 6 months now, a great piece of kit. Wouldn't recommend it, if using out of a car boot though.

                                      Regards..........Jake

Same here.  I have a few freedom trollies and use them from small vans. I also know of a couple of guys who use them from decent sized hatch-backs but no good from a car with just a boot. Excellent design and easy to use. I am very happy indeed with them.

Rich.

[P @ F]

That was my thought exactly , it may be a good piece of kit , but no good for a car in my view , i use a trolley from the back of a van sometimes and even that does my head in , if your gonna take the jump to wfp and you have a van , go van mount straight away , but then saying that it really does depend on what type of work you have .

 Rich   P @ F

[tatman]

dont you find van mount wfp a pain in the arse for houses as most of my work at the moment is domestic :

[P @ F]

It does depend as i say what your houses are like and how big they are .
Most of my work is houses only , 3  bed semis .
I built a trolley system to use on certain houses and i only used it the once , i could not be bothered with changing the barrels all the time and lifting it in and out of the van did my head in too !

It wont cost any more to build a van mount than it will to buy a trolley .

 Rich   P @ F   

[windows_chepstow]

dont you find van mount wfp a pain in the arse for houses as most of my work at the moment is domestic :

It depends on the houses.  I'm building up quite a few on my round that would be ideal for a van-mounted system, but a lot of my work would need to be supplemented with a backpack.

I'm also known for being anti-Freedom Trolley, but I'm not really.  I just think it's an overpriced, heavy sack truck, but a lot of guys here like them.  I only got a bee in my bonnet when I thought they were being miss-sold, to guys who work from cars and still wanted to carry ladders and this stemmed from e-mails from Freedom-Trolley users who weren't happy with it.

But as I say, I'm not really anti-'Freedom'.  If you're working from a van, you can use the Freedom as both a 'van-mounted system' and a 'trolley system', so you could have the best of both worlds with it.

I'm sure some of the guys who use it could explain further.

My advice would be to research the Freedom, but also research a van-mounted system, supplemented by a backpack (which would be my preference)

Or, if as you say in your original post, you only want to dip your toe in the WFP world, start with a backpack.  You'll get a backpack system for around 600 pounds.

Cleantech would be a good start.

I hope I've been some help.

[tatman]

cheers tosh

[Pro_Clean]

Freedom trolley

[tatman]

yea most my work is 3 bed semis and a few large detached and a couple of pubs. Dont really do many terrace type houses i guess they are a bigg no no with a van mount. What system do you use ?
P@F

[AuRavelling79]

My advice would be to research the Freedom, but also research a van-mounted system, supplemented by a backpack (which would be my preference)

Or, if as you say in your original post, you only want to dip your toe in the WFP world, start with a backpack.  You'll get a backpack system for around 600 pounds.

Cleantech would be a good start.

I hope I've been some help.

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The above is excellent advice!

I started with one of Peter Fogwills trolleys - which was fine.

Now I have 175L tank, 100m microbore and autobrush, plus a backpack, out of my estate car. (I also carry between two and four 25L barrels for the backpack depending on the day's work)

Next vehicle will be a van with the above stuff in it but a bigger water capacity.

[pylofm]

Have a freedom trolley (fantastic bit of kit)...also have a pump box from cleantech both the trolley and pumpbox run into a main tank in the van....for me this is the ideal as I can remove it all should I wish to without too many hassles....

In all honesty the freedom trolley was all that I need but now the g/f works with me I invested in the pump box from cleantech and we both now swap and change as required....

The only thing I regret is buying a 250l tank, should have gone for a bigger one...

Cheers
Dave.

[Extremeclean]

Tosh is quite right about having the best of both worlds with the Freedom trolley. Although I strongly disagree about the comments re price and weight and it being just a sack truck. I find it excellent value for money, very versatile and not overweight at all. My guys have no problems at all lifting in and out of vans. A lot has to do with the design in that it is very compact when folded down therefore making lifting safe and easy. Although I do have to say that I have the latest design of the Freedom trolley so Tosh's comments re weight may be justified.

I have tanks in the vans as well and when its faster to do so we use the trolley to power reels with 50 metres of 8mm ID hose.  Its called minibore now in WFP circles. I have also used one of the trollies to power 100 metres of hose working a 45 ft pole with no problem at all. I also like the back pack. I have a number of those but use them now on my larger vans doing commercial work where you cant get a hose to the windows. I wont let my employees wear the back pack on the back while using a pole. I dont want a suit prosecuting me for any injury caused by providing a tool which is not being used for it's designed purpose.

A Freedom powering a tank and also being used stand alone seems ideal for all of my domestic work so much so that I now have almost the same productivity from one man as I used to have a few months ago from a 2 man team using ladders.

Rich.

[Jake]

Tatman

We use the trolley mainly on 'tops', and get through about 100 ltrs a day



                                                     Regards....Jake

[supernova77]

Freedom Trolley all the way! 

[brett walker]

freedom trolley 


brett

[mark dew]

The Freedom trolley is a good bit of kit.
i have a 250 litre van mount, freedom trolley and 1 25 litre drum.
On all the houses that i use 25 litres or less i am much  quicker with the trolley than using van mount and microbore.
If you can afford a freedom trolley and a backpack you will cover all of your van mount and portable needs.