[AuRavelling79]

Load of rubbish.
That's all I'm going to say. :

I've worked next to HSE officers and around the police and no-ones ever said a word.

Interesting, squeaky - would you tell us in what circumstances you "worked next to HSE officers"?

[windows_chepstow]

Malc,

I can see where you're going, but remember, 'Don't argue with fools!'.

[Johnboyfree]

[quote author=macleod link=topic=26466.msg200705#msg200705 date=1161025671]
in answer to the question "can I work from ladders because I don't have a pole system?"

can you drive a car if you dont have a lisence? yes but its breaking the law.

can i change a fuse but a dont have a screwdriver? yes but its not safe.

can i

just cos you dont do a risk assesment and dont have the 'right' equipment doesnt mean you should carry on and break the law. it doesnt mean that its ok. it doesnt mean that we should all say"...but Fred has been cleaning windows for 20years and he is a nice bloke..."

ignorance (or should i say avoidance) is not a get out of jail card.

No one said anything about not doing a risk assesment,to compare some thing as vague as The Working At Hieghts Directive or H.S.E. Policy on working with ladders to driving a car without a Liscence which We all know is a Criminal Offence is to put it bluntly a bit slack,if  WHD or the HSE  were definative there could be no arguaments,but its such a grey area there allways will be.

[AuRavelling79]

Malc,

I can see where you're going, but remember, 'Don't argue with fools!'.

I only do that when I talk to myself Tosh!

[Sir Squeaky]

Load of rubbish.
That's all I'm going to say. :

I've worked next to HSE officers and around the police and no-ones ever said a word.

Interesting, squeaky - would you tell us in what circumstances you "worked next to HSE officers"?

Building sites and new shops opening in town.

[poleman]

Load of rubbish.
That's all I'm going to say. :

I've worked next to HSE officers and around the police and no-ones ever said a word.

Class!   

Ladder police   police only deal with civil law  : 

[macleod]

the funny thig is squeeky to clean the police station or any justice centre or any council building you need WFP.... read the tenders and weep young man  

so they may turn a blind eye, but its like the bloke who drives his car with no licence... all his mates think he is clever but is he? nah, hes just breakin the law.

anyway... its great you think its rubbish cos you know what i say is true.

see the thing is im not trying to justify wfp... i just asked if you all agree with those 3 points i raised at the begining...

i know some of you dont like the answer, but hey i dont care...

i dont think window cleaners are above the law

so wise up all you ladder boys

[AuRavelling79]

Load of rubbish.
That's all I'm going to say. :

I've worked next to HSE officers and around the police and no-ones ever said a word.

Interesting, squeaky - would you tell us in what circumstances you "worked next to HSE officers"?

Building sites and new shops opening in town.

Now that is very interesting - how recently Squeaky?

[Johnboyfree]

Load of rubbish.
That's all I'm going to say. :

I've worked next to HSE officers and around the police and no-ones ever said a word.

Class!   

Ladder police   police only deal with civil law  : 

The Police Only Deal with Criminal Law Not Civil,thats why its called Civil Law

[JohnL]

Quote   .   .   .   see the thing is im not trying to justify wfp... i just asked if you all agree with those 3 points i raised at the begining...

i know some of you dont like the answer, but hey i dont care...

i dont think window cleaners are above the law

so wise up all you ladder boys   .   .   .


 see the thing is im not trying to justify wfp   -  really!   :


JohnL

[Sir Squeaky]

Now that is very interesting - how recently Squeaky?

This year a couple of times, and end of last year.

I had a chat with a HSE bloke while up a ladder on a building site a couple of months back, and all he said was "Hope the buliders haven't made your work too hard!"

[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

Squeeks Mate,

I personally agree totaly with you!!!

Load of old B*****S

But as I said in my previouse post - it's all about claims!!!!
and sometime in the not too distant future HSE will make it nigh near a criminal offence to clean windows with a ladder.

And perfectly good hard workers like you ARE going to be stopped using a ladder to clean windows.
I honestley believe that!

David

[Pat Purcell]

[
But as I said in my previouse post - it's all about claims!!!!
and sometime in the not too distant future HSE will make it nigh near a criminal offence to clean windows with a ladder.

And perfectly good hard workers like you ARE going to be stopped using a ladder to clean windows.
I honestley believe that!

David

then how come as an industry everyone seems to be either accepting of it or in other cases downright happy about it

[Shine, glasgow!]

wfp users = mona; grey haired bloke...  

[Peter Fogwill]

Squeeks Mate,

And perfectly good hard workers like you ARE going to be stopped using a ladder to clean windows.
I honestley believe that!

David

They will still have the option of putting the squeegee on a pole and cleaning that way.  Good results can easily be achieved with a bit of practice.

Peter

[AuRavelling79]

Squeeks Mate,

And perfectly good hard workers like you ARE going to be stopped using a ladder to clean windows.
I honestley believe that!

David

They will still have the option of putting the squeegee on a pole and cleaning that way.  Good results can easily be achieved with a bit of practice.

Peter

Then squeaky-clean will become "streaky-clean?"

[Peter Fogwill]

Squeeks Mate,

And perfectly good hard workers like you ARE going to be stopped using a ladder to clean windows.
I honestley believe that!

David

They will still have the option of putting the squeegee on a pole and cleaning that way.  Good results can easily be achieved with a bit of practice.

Peter

Then squeaky-clean will become "streaky-clean?"

Not if he got enough practice he wouldn't.  He could always use it as a transition into WFP.  He would be half way there, being safe and still using his squeegee.  Then maybe one day he could attached a brush and feed some purified water up the pole, to speed things up.

Peter

[bumper]

If ladders are banned why are thet still selling them. surely the shops are, breaking the law breaking the law,and all those vans cars .waggons.  carrying   ladders are  breaking the law  breaking the law,all those fire engines are breaking the law,breaking the law,all the burglers are breaking the law breaking the law,all the painters are breaking the law breaking the law,all the roofers are breaking the law breaking  the law,all the plumbers are breaking the law breaking the law.all the electricans are breaking the law breaking the law,there semms to be a lot of people who are breaking the law breaking the law,so to say ladders are banned seems to be a load of BULL rubbish.

[macleod]

so we all agree with the 3 points then...

thought so...

 

[DASERVICES]

 One way to resolve this once and for all is to invite a member of the HSE to this
 forum, then everyone would no where we stand.

 Now how would you do your risk assesment on the house below.

 All the top windows are a risk using ladders therefore I would say this is when the
 HSE guidance comes into effect.

 Doug