[Pj]

What safety devices do you use with your pole?

Same ones as I use with my shoes and socks!

[Sunshine Cleaning]

What safety devices do you use with your pole?

Same ones as I use with my shoes and socks! 

No sensible answers then.

[M4RK]

The HSE made comments at the Windex 2006 Seminar on what they expect from window cleaners.

Read them here.

http://www.windowcleaningresources.co.uk/html/ladder_ban_comments.html

Hope this helps.

Mark

[macleod]

hi guys,

Just got home...

Ladders versus WFP? Nah… it’s not about that, it is about Health & Safety.

So it’s funny when one comment on here said with reference to this that they “…don't want to waste our money.”

It might be of interest to know that since falls from a height accounted for around 22% of fatal injuries and around 14% of major injuries to workers in 2002/03 the potential benefit of preventing these injuries is significant.

Not sure where investing in safer alternatives is a waste of money?

The cost of a workplace accident is higher than is immediately obvious. The individual faces costs in terms of pain, grief and suffering, and loss of income. Employers face costs in terms of lost output, equipment damage and disruption. There are also resource costs to society in terms of medical treatment and social security administration (social security payments and compensation payments are excluded because they are transfers and not resource costs).

Not sure where investing in safer alternatives is a waste of money?

The total cost of injuries and fatalities as a result of falls from height has been estimated at £458 million per year.

Not sure where investing in safer alternatives is a waste of money?

The proposed regulations are aimed at increasing safety in all aspects of working at height. They require: “every employer, in selecting work equipment for use in work at height shall take account of the working conditions and to the risks to the safety of persons at the place where the work equipment is used”.

Not sure where investing in safer alternatives is a waste of money?

The HSE transitional period will soon be up and your work is fair game!

Come on ladder kids, wise up!

[Fast 1 *]

ladder "kids".  sounds a bit patronizing.

[macleod]

your right it does, so i take that back.
it was said in reference to a bit of name calling about myself earlier!

[Sir Squeaky]

He's patronising full stop Fasty. :

Don't let amateurs like him push you into changing your method.
Only do it if and when you want to.
Make that choice yourself.
Meanwhile take no notice, they won't get banned! :

"Wise up?"
I don't think it's wise to lower your cleaning standard.
Look at the thread below...and the many others.
You carry on doing it your way, and leave the proper cleaning to the pros.

[Sunshine Cleaning]

Dose your mum know your up this late Squeaky?

[macleod]

Squawky clean... you make my day...  

but you are right in one thing you say... er no actually there isnt  

[Sir Squeaky]

Squawky clean... you make my day... 

but you are right in one thing you say... er no actually there isnt 

Just keep telling yourself that.

I know it comforts you.

[macleod]

go to google...

put in search

Squeaky Clean.

go to images

which one of those two girls is Squeaky Clean? or are they waiting for him?

lucky fella!

[Sir Squeaky]

Gotta be the one on the right.

[macleod]

blond & brunette

thats just greedy squeeky

 

[AuRavelling79]

The HSE made comments at the Windex 2006 Seminar on what they expect from window cleaners.

Read them here.

http://www.windowcleaningresources.co.uk/html/ladder_ban_comments.html

Hope this helps.

Mark

Mark H, In all the "to and fro" of insults, this post actually throws more light on the true situation and is one of the more sensible ones.- I notice that the HSE says we are in a "transitional period", so it's not if, but when ladders are going to be even more severely restricted for window cleaners.

If you only use ladders to work at height then  please be aware, time is running out for the use of ladders within HSE regs.

[rosskesava]

If you only use ladders to work at height then  please be aware, time is running out for the use of ladders within HSE regs

Sorry to be picky but where did you get that bit of information from?

Cheers

[macleod]

well i just went to google... entered in

Squeaky Clean.

clicked on images

and hey presto!

why do you ask?

or are you interested in the ladder ban thing?

[rosskesava]

I'm just curious. It's a bold statement and I was wondering what the source of the information was.

If it is true then lots of ladder users will be stuffed, so to speak.

Also, 'time is running out'? How much time? Usually the HSE, when making statements about future plans for H & S, give a proposed timescale. Just as they did with WADR so as people/companies/etc have time to prepapre.

Cheers

[AuRavelling79]

Ross, I got it from the link in Mark H's post which showed what the HSE were saying at Windex 2006. The phrase in the link was "transitional period" and the length of that period was to be advised.

Read it for yourself and see what you think. To me "transitional period" and "length of time to be advised" = time running out.

[Sir Squeaky]

Obviously you didn't look into it in depth like I did then.

If you click on another section it says you're fine on first floor up to 6 metres.

Sorry, case closed.
Keep trying.

[macleod]

remember the point of this new legislation (actually its not new anymore) is because the target for the whole economy is to reduce the rate of fatal and major injury to workers by 5% by 2004/05 and 10% by 2009/10

Ladders accounted for the greatest number of major injuries to employees due to high falls (39%) and again ladders was a common agent associated with a fatal injury to workers.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/rhsfall.pdf

no matter how you paint the picture… WAHR is here to protect and serve. As a by product my productivity/profit has increased too!

Remember

1. Both the window cleaner and the business that is having their windows cleaned must do a risk assessment for every job.

2. Both the window cleaner and the business must ensure use the safest method possible is used.

3. The hierarchy of safest methods begins with, not to work at height.

So if you accept these three points from the WAHR then the HSE really don’t have to have a Law to ban ladders for cleaning windows… because through this Law they practically already have!

Baton over to you squeeky