[Philip Hanson]

Ever since I started window cleaning, I have had a problem with back gates.  Now that we use a pole system rather than ladders, this has become a little bit worse, as you dont have ladders to hand.  I have been giving some thought to how to solve the problem, and I'd welcome your comments:

1: Only doing the fronts if they are not in to open up the back.  We do this already for some, the problem is that you're missing out on work.

2: Asking for a key for the gate, and keep it with a keyring with a number on.  Have the customer's number on the worklist.

3: Encourage customers to get padlocks that use a COMBINATION.  That way they dont need to give you a key.  The combination could be on the worklist.


4: Getting some scramble netting to throw over, rather than using 2 ladder sections.


I'm sure there must be a simple way of solving this problem, maybe staring us in the face!

-Philip

[allseasons]

Find better customers with out locked gates  

Thats what i did!

[denzle]

How about using a smallish point ladder which could be kept in the van. You can't blame customers keeping their back gates locked these days.
The combination lock idea is also good.

Denzle

[seanc]

the onley problem i can see with the net idia is if the gate is a we bit wobley as most are you could braek the gate and hurt your self and your wallet onley my humble opinion

[replacement]

Do what i do... When i price up for a new job i ask about access ie back gate if its issues i offer to ring the customer the night before this really does swing the customer if there humming and arrriing, i also add 50p for the pleasure as well.

Justin

[matt]

why not buy a group buy of combi padlocks, then we would get a real good price

i idea for a mod or mike to think of

[The_Fed_Man]

Phil,

Them giving you keys for padlocks is best or don't do the back & charge front only, plus a bit more than normal. I once had a wall collapse on me climbing over, bricklayer didn't use a good mix, but I ended up having to repair it.

Sometimes they prefer keys with a neighbour.

[Jeff Brimble]

Dont you just love it when they only have a draw bolt on the inside of the solid 6ft gate and you need rubber arms to reach it and when you do its either warped or your weight presses down and creates pressure that stretched fingers cannot manage. I thought of a w/c jemmy like a claw hammer 2ft long that you could lift the staple and then hammer it back to release.
Now I leave the ball in their court if I cannot get in I
overcharge for just the fronts and let them worry about how I get to the backs

[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

Iff you can't make an arrangement like give you a key or ring them to leave it unlocked then ther's no point bothering

David

[choice.clean]

i have a phoning list for the night before don't encourage use of combination locks they are a total pain waited 20 minutes trying to get one off the other day they seem to go faulty very fast.

[Philip Hanson]

When you phone the night before, what happens if the next day it pours down?  Do they just leave it unbolted until you come?

Comb locks break easily do they?

-Philip

[Reflective Property Services]

I thought with wfp it doesnt matter if it rains?  

[replacement]

When you phone the night before, what happens if the next day it pours down?  Do they just leave it unbolted until you come?

Comb locks break easily do they?

-Philip

I am sure you have said you are doing windows in rain an shine? cant find post.

[Philip Hanson]

Yes thats right, but other window cleaners don't.  Do we all work even in the rain (if we have to)?  

Good on us if we do!  Its about time we werent dictated by the weather!

I thought with wfp it doesnt matter if it rains?

Its not that wfp doesnt matter, I just used the introduction of wfp to let customers know that we might still be coming if it rained.  Theres no reason you cant work in the rain with the conventional method too, other than it can be a bit unpleasant.

-Philip

[andrew wakeman]

I could use my lockpicks or padlock manipulator to open gate, simple.

[oldman]

A set of 'Little Giant ladders' or the cheaper version from 'Screwfix'.

Small enough to keep in the van and big enough to climb over high gates.

Always handy to have a set on the van........


Little Giant...
http://www.midlandladders.com/products/5_Rung_Little_Giant_Classic-411-74.html?gclid=CNyZ5cXKp7wCFcuWtAoddD4ARg

Screwfix......
http://www.screwfix.com/p/aluminium-telescopic-ladder-2-x-7-tread/64728

[capn sparkle]

A set of 'Little Giant ladders' or the cheaper version from 'Screwfix'.

Small enough to keep in the van and big enough to climb over high gates.

Always handy to have a set on the van........


Little Giant...
http://www.midlandladders.com/products/5_Rung_Little_Giant_Classic-411-74.html?gclid=CNyZ5cXKp7wCFcuWtAoddD4ARg

Screwfix......
http://www.screwfix.com/p/aluminium-telescopic-ladder-2-x-7-tread/64728

And there we have the answer - wfp hose runs smoothly over the top rung

[oldman]

Or under the gate.

[bobplum]

Ever since I started window cleaning, I have had a problem with back gates.  Now that we use a pole system rather than ladders, this has become a little bit worse, as you dont have ladders to hand.  I have been giving some thought to how to solve the problem, and I'd welcome your comments:

1: Only doing the fronts if they are not in to open up the back.  We do this already for some, the problem is that you're missing out on work.

2: Asking for a key for the gate, and keep it with a keyring with a number on.  Have the customer's number on the worklist.

3: Encourage customers to get padlocks that use a COMBINATION.  That way they dont need to give you a key.  The combination could be on the worklist.


4: Getting some scramble netting to throw over, rather than using 2 ladder sections.


I'm sure there must be a simple way of solving this problem, maybe staring us in the face!

-Philip

look at getting the little giant ladder, when its in the A FRAME SHAPE IT CAN STRADDLE  6 FOOT GATES
midland ladders sell them

[Tony dunmall]

I carry a small point, on rounds that I know this is a problem

Doesn't take much space

People are all texted/emailed  to leave gates unlocked for those that forget I have a impact driver fully charged, I take the whole latch and paddlock of normally just two screws takes seconds

It's funny how unsecured padlocked gates are