[edd]

at the end of the day my thermo pure seems too make us a lot of money with a new van Renault traffic in silver good logos the image has definitely worked with more work than we no what to do with it cost £24000 but its only 22 pounds a day so whats all the fuss about its better than driving the old  Astra estate about now everyone takes notice !!!! : :

[marc]

i know some one who spent £9,000 on ionics system 2 months and lots of problems later he is back up a ladder wishing he'd never heard of ionics

[P®oPole™]

i know some one who spent £9,000 on ionics system 2 months and lots of problems later he is back up a ladder wishing he'd never heard of ionics

marc would it of made a diffrence if it was another system? did this guy know how to use it? a bad workmen allways blames his tools.

Your gonna love this guys (JM123 an Caustic) tonight while filling my van, IT BROKE "oh no what to do"  first time since november......................



the door sort of came of the hose port on the side of the van, months of accidently slamming the side loader into it. I clipped it back in and its good as new, happy days. My gaurentee is still live still november aswell, sweet.

[P®oPole™]

Another bad day at work then Caustic

A tiny plastic door thing came out thats the only thing thats broke in 10months of daily use, which i fixed in 10seconds, tell me your system has never had a problem, do you have side ports on your van or do you have to have the door open?

this pic is for you Caustic you know you want one think of the marketing power of it, Im glad i bought mine

[P®oPole™]

  jack can you really see all that, its only a logo mate it isnt surrposed to be a text book picture of how to use wfp, its purpose is to stand out, brand itself etc

You guys are missing alot about the marketing its not the logo, its the name, the U.S.P's etc "The Reach and Wash System" sells if you can sell it, trust me I've took her to market a few times.

YOU BUNCH OF TIGHT OLD GITS, YOU CANT TAKE IT WITH YOU!!!!!

[matt]

this pic is for you Caustic you know you want one think of the marketing power of it, Im glad i bought mine

i know of TWO local lads near me, they DIY'd a system (i know i helped them)

took a irongics brochure to a sign writer and had him do thema BIG van sticker

they saved a few quid on the IMAGE though

[AuRavelling79]

Buying "Reach and Wash" from Ionics is in my view similar to buying IBM for a personal computer... it does the job well but it is not necessary and is more expensive than other good/adequate manufacturers.

If I was a wet behind the ears trad. guy and didn't know of this forum or have a few "in the know" w/c friends I might feel safer going that way.

Frankly I've got more useful things to use the extra cash for - like my own advertising, marketing or vehicle.

Some manufacturers are a "bit up themselves" and those they've supplied don't want to feel they've been seen coming. (IMHO)

Before too long "Reach and Wash" may well occupy the same place in wfp as Hoover do in vacuuming - a large player (and good for them!) - but by no means necessarily the best value for the discerning buyer.

[Trevor Knight]

Before too long "Reach and Wash" may well occupy the same place in wfp as Hoover do in vacuuming - a large player (and good for them!) - but by no means necessarily the best value for the discerning buyer.

How very true!!

[Alex Gardiner]

I have a mate who 3 years ago set up with an Ionics system...great no probs, simple. End of story.

Oh apart from a large bill from them once they had finished with the van.

I spent less money setting up 3 vehicles and a trolley system and have had the same result with more take home profit.

It all comes down to what you want image or profit??

Will image get you more profit in the long run? I now do far more high-end commercial work then my friend with his Ionics set-up.

Alex

[Moderator David@stives]

Alex

That would be more down to your business accumin if thats how you spell it, wether you have one van or three

that in itself will not get you work.

First rule of business dont slate the opposition, It doesnt look good

[Trevor Knight]

First rule of business dont slate the opposition, It doesnt look good

I for one am always singing your praises as I have always had great dealings with your company Alex.

Have to say, your posting isn't very professional in this instance?

Trev

[matt]

persoanlly i see nothing wrong with what Alex has said

he has just told a story about some1 he knows

he hasnt made a opinion about it, apart for the large bill, its no secret ioincs cost a bomb

[GRAHAM.K]

you guys running around in older vehicles and using home made gear must pay an awful lot of tax. how do you minimise your tax bill? ?

[Alex Gardiner]

Hi guys, (Trevor, Dave)

My intention of posting was not to 'slate' Ionics, I never have, their products are fantastic. It was to point out that if you pay the money (which you have to do) you do get an easy problem free result. I was actually trying to fair to them. Having read the earlier posts it seemed that people were being unfairly critical of Ionics and their advertising.

The fact is, Ionics is a very successful and respectable company who supply a top end product. My mate who bought from them did so after seeing my complete set-up and seeking my advice, but he wanted a completely hassle free option, the DIY option is not hassle free. He had the money and so went for that option and I have to say he has never regretted it.

I personally would rather have a couple of holidays a year and have a little hassle in setting up my system, but that has to be my choice and I wouldn't criticize anyone who chose to do things differently.

Criticize 'Ionics' all you like, but ask yourself would you be using WFP if it wasn't for Ionics, Omnipole and Tucker I know that I certainly wouldn't.

On the Tax issue, spending £10,000 on a van will only save you £1160 a year in tax (first year), which would you rather have £8840 in your pocket or a posh van?

Alex

[GRAHAM.K]

lease purchase.

[GRAHAM.K]

operating lease payments are tax deductible just like depreciation charges but are made with pre- tax money.
cash purchases in contrast are made with after tax money.
leasing means no capital tied up in van.
pay youself not gordon.

[Alex Gardiner]

Hi Caustic,

The van and tax were a separate issue with Graham!

I agree with you on not spending more than needed as you can see from our core business, but Ionics do make great equipment.


Graham,

 with Leasing if you spend £300 a month on a van lease it will still only save you £870 off your tax bill so you have the option of £2730 in your pocket after tax each year or a posh new van.  Or am I missing something? I hope I am, so that I can justify going and buying a fleet of brand new vans for our commercial work!

Alex

[DASERVICES]

  Or even better way go to the auctions and get a 3yr old van for around
  £3k-£4k, models like the vivaro. Best auctions to look for are the ones that
  sell ex police or lease vans, these always come with service history.

  They sell them after 3 yrs because that's when the manufacturing warranty
  runs out. Then do the 40p per mile claim against the tax man.

  10,000m x 0.40p =£4000    5,000m x 0.25p = £1,250

  So in the first year you have recovered the cost of your van, tax ins etc... Next
  year is profit

  Look into buying leasing and after speaking to a company director and went for
  the above option. Very wise words

  Doug

[Moderator David@stives]

I have just realised i have lost £30 a week in depreciation on my van, this equates to £1500 a year, I have to mot it and fix it as it breaks, so in reality that could be more than £20 a week. So the total is £50 a week running costs

If i bought a new van for £15'000 and kept it for 3 years i could resell for £9'000, so that is a loss of £6000 which is £2000 a year which is £40 a week depreciation, I would not have to mot it or repair it, i would have to pay for servicing which is about £500 a year so there is another £10 a week, so that makes £50 a week like the older van.

Now the newer van will cost more to insure but this will be offset by the better fuel economy of the newer van.

Of course all this is tax deductable and ultimately a lower tax payer will pay in real terms £33.50 a week for a brand new van or an old banger, do the maths the figures arent much difference, i know which road i am going down.

A higher rate tax payer will pay even less in real terms £25 a week after tax allowance.

All these figures are guesstimates.

Its similar with a wfp system, after tax allowances a brand new system will cost half the price for a higher rate tax payer after the system gets to the end of its life.

[alansavvi]

I have just realised i have lost £30 a week in depreciation on my van, this equates to £1500 a year, I have to mot it and fix it as it breaks, so in reality that could be than £20 a week. So the total is £50 a week running costs

If i bought a new van for £15'000 and kept it for 3 years i could resell for £9'000, so that is a loss of £6000 which is £2000 a year which is £40 a week depreciation, I would not have to mot it or repair it, i would have to pay for servicing which is about £500 a year so there is another £10 a week, so that makes £50 a week like the older van.

Now the newer van will cost more to insure but this will be offset by the better fuel economy of the newer van.

Of course all this is tax deductable and ultimately a lower tax payer will pay in real terms £33.50 a week for a brand new van or an old banger, do the maths the figures arent much difference, i know which road i am going down.

A higher rate tax payer will pay even less in real terms £25 a week after tax allowance.

All these figures are guesstimates.

Its similar with a wfp system, after tax allowances a brand new system will cost half the price for a higher rate tax payer after the system gets to the end of its life.

uh??