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Scotty1

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Adding frost stat to hot water system
« on: March 01, 2025, 02:36:11 pm »
Thanks to the support here I've managed to get my hot water system up and running.

It doesn't have a frost stat on it which I'd like to add.

I've tried to find out what sort of setup various hot systems use but there's not a lot of info on it.

I'd prefer to monitor the water temperature rather than the ambient temperature if possible.

I spotted this and wondered if it could be coiled around a hose perhaps 🤔:

https://www.ecproducts.co.uk/product/auto-reset-frost-protection-thermostat-ts-fs-a/

I also wonder if a dedicated pump would be a good idea for Frost stat too?

Sorry for the ramble lol

Any comments on how your hot water system is rigged up and type of stat used would be a huge help!

Thank you 👍

Spruce

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2025, 06:57:59 pm »
You could Google Spring Europe and download their Frostat manual.

https://springltd.co/v16-hc-hw-manual

The controller is a V16 flow controller with an added temperature sensor. On my Heatwave the sensor was fitted on the hot water side going to the brush head just next to the heater.
The idea is that when the temperature of the water in the pipe drops to 2 degrees C, the controller switches on the pump and the heater. It's connected to that blue wire we were talking about earlier. The controller has to be switched to frost protection mode. You connect the pump output to your hose reel and the end of the hose on the reel to a connector on the tank. The controller works for 10 minutes, which is enough time to heat the internal boiler circuit up and pump warm water through the hose reel hose and back to the tank.

On my system, I chose to use a 12v digital heat controller.
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The NTC temperature sensor is fitted to a tee piece inside in the boiler enclosure in the pipe leaving the heater to my brush head, When the temperature drops to 3 degrees the unit switches the boiler on. I've set the controller to switch off when the temperature probe reads a temperature of 9 degrees. This basically means the internal hot water circuit is around 70 degrees before the boiler switches off. The hot water radiates heat slowly so it takes time for the temperature probe to reach 9 degrees C.

I don't run warm water through my hot reel, as I use a 800w heater on a frostat to keep the back of the van frost free. The hose reels are stored at the back of the van between the tank and the doors. My Heatwave is fitted in front of my tank between the tank and my bulkhead.


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Scotty1

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2025, 08:15:05 pm »
Thanks a million mate.
That is very well explained and a very logical approach.

That little temperature controller looks idea!

How are you managing to fit the probe into a tee fitting mate?

Thanks again I genuinely appreciate this! 👍

dazmond

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2025, 10:02:30 am »
The problem with the frost stat is it's loud when it comes on in the middle of the night and it can fire up 4 or 5 times on a very cold night disturbing neighbours. Much better to leave a decent oil filled radiator in overnight if you want to stay friendly with the neighbours
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The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2025, 12:31:17 pm »
The problem with the frost stat is it's loud when it comes on in the middle of the night and it can fire up 4 or 5 times on a very cold night disturbing neighbours. Much better to leave a decent oil filled radiator in overnight if you want to stay friendly with the neighbours

I agree with Daz on that one.   It will keep you awake with anxiety during the night causing a racket in the dead of night.
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Spruce

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system New
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2025, 01:36:21 pm »
Thanks a million mate.
That is very well explained and a very logical approach.

That little temperature controller looks idea!

How are you managing to fit the probe into a tee fitting mate?

Thanks again I genuinely appreciate this! 👍

Right. I replaced the flexible rubber hoses with the outside mess support Heatwave use, with car heater hose. I can then take a short length of 15mm copper pipe and solder 1 olive at one end. Then slip the heater hose over that and clamp the hose so it won't leak under pressure. The soldered olive will stop the heater hose slipping off the pipe under pressure. The other end of the short copper pipe will have a compression nut and olive that will secure that bit of copper pipe to the bulkhead connector.
I then took a hose clamp, opened it up, and knocked a half round shape in the hose clamp band that was the same size as the temperature sensor. I used my vice slightly open and a round piece of solid metal round bar. With the hose clamp tightened, it holds the sensor securely onto the copper pipe without crushing it. So basically it will near enough record the temperature of the water in the pipe.

As I previously mentioned, I set the temperature controller to kick in at 3 degrees C just to make sure I account for any discrepancies in the temperature readings. After all, it is a cheap Chinese made, mass-produced, product. It's worked like this every winter for the past 5 years.

As I also put an electric heater in the van, the diesel heater maybe kicks on twice overnight at the most. The van is parked on our driveway and the closest neighbour never hears it. But then again, the heater exhaust doesn't point in the direction of her house.

I actually have 3 of these controllers. The one I use as a frost controller also measures the heat of the water as it leaves the heater to my pole. The 2nd one measures the heat of the water going to the pole my son uses. The third is set on cooling mode. I've added a third 22kw water to water heat exchanger in my system.  When the internal hot water circuit reaches 83 degrees C, this controller switches on a third Shurflo pump. This pump draws cold water from the tank, pumps it through this 22kw heat exchanger and back into the tank. When the internal circuit water drops to 75 degrees C, the controller switches the pump off. This means my diesel heater is kept in the reduced heat mode and will never turn off when I stop to talk to my customer. It will go on like this all day if I want. I do have a pwm speed controller linked to this pump, which is set to a reduced speed and water flow, which slowly reduces the temperature of the internal circuit.

I hope this all makes sense.
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Spruce

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2025, 01:38:46 pm »
The problem with the frost stat is it's loud when it comes on in the middle of the night and it can fire up 4 or 5 times on a very cold night disturbing neighbours. Much better to leave a decent oil filled radiator in overnight if you want to stay friendly with the neighbours

I agree with Daz on that one.   It will keep you awake with anxiety during the night causing a racket in the dead of night.

I never hear mine switching on, but then again, my hearing isn't the best.  ;D  I only know if the heater has switched on by looking at the history graph on my Victron battery monitor.
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tlwcs

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2025, 11:22:25 am »
The problem with the frost stat is it's loud when it comes on in the middle of the night and it can fire up 4 or 5 times on a very cold night disturbing neighbours. Much better to leave a decent oil filled radiator in overnight if you want to stay friendly with the neighbours

I agree with Daz on that one.   It will keep you awake with anxiety during the night causing a racket in the dead of night.

I never hear mine switching on, but then again, my hearing isn't the best.  ;D  I only know if the heater has switched on by looking at the history graph on my Victron battery monitor.

Or your neighbours scowling at you 😁

Scotty1

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Re: Adding frost stat to hot water system
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2025, 01:19:14 pm »
Thanks a million Spruce!
Well explained as usual. 😊👌