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johnny bravo

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Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« on: February 15, 2025, 08:39:13 pm »
Anyone use these   if so whats your verdict.       Is this company good with customer help if needed.    Easier set up if i go that route.  Not much room for a 4040  Static set up where i am      The Trolley set up is better  option

Spruce

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2025, 06:49:47 am »
Anyone use these   if so whats your verdict.       Is this company good with customer help if needed.    Easier set up if i go that route.  Not much room for a 4040  Static set up where i am      The Trolley set up is better  option

You have low water pressure. With low water pressure you need a booster pump. With a booster pump, you will need at least 9lpm of free flowing water from your tap.

If Baileys have caught your eye because they are cheaper than others, then you have to ask why. The only way they can do this is to supply a cheap Chinese membrane that's not as efficient as USA quality membranes are.

This is just my opinion with this, but we have seen this with other suppliers who sell cheap r/os. They bring the cost down by fitting cheap membranes.

There have been several cleaners complain on the forums that Bailey's aren't that interested when it come to sorting out problems. There phone is never answered. If memory serves me, one cleaner had a problem with a 4040  membrane they supplied.  He was complaining on the forums so I guess he didn't get his problem resolved by them either.

Why not up your prices and buy your water in from Spotless. It just down the road. I know of 3 cleaners who buy their water from Kentkleen on Marske's Longbeck Industrial Estate.
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johnny bravo

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2025, 02:06:53 pm »
im just sick of having 450 Ro in Kitchen Spruce.         Got an outside tap fitted,    Cant set up to go in rear garden shed etc   as kitchen is facing the front drive    so plumbing would be awkward.

johnny bravo

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2025, 02:13:56 pm »
Spruce   if i put up my prices again they would cancel.    Too many newbies charging £7/£8      for a 3/4 bed new build    .i  charge a lot more than this

Ill ask Doug   from Daqua if he can knock me one up.      A 4040 on a trolley set up which i can get in and out of shed would be easier for me.      With a Booster Pump.       It will be nice to even try one      If Spotless was nearer me id prob get 1/2    a weeks fill up from them.     But atm    its about 20 min drive     20 mins back.

Spruce

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2025, 06:22:05 pm »
Spruce   if i put up my prices again they would cancel.    Too many newbies charging £7/£8      for a 3/4 bed new build    .i  charge a lot more than this

Ill ask Doug   from Daqua if he can knock me one up.      A 4040 on a trolley set up which i can get in and out of shed would be easier for me.      With a Booster Pump.       It will be nice to even try one      If Spotless was nearer me id prob get 1/2    a weeks fill up from them.     But atm    its about 20 min drive     20 mins back.

Sorry, I honestly thought Spotless was on your door step.

Your biggest issue is the volume of water your taps deliver. A 4021 will use about half the amount of water a 4040 will.

Personally, I would set an r/o up in your van to fill your tank directly and switch off when your tank is full. Over winter, you will need to set up a small frost heater to prevent the r/o from freezing. This way your tank becomes your storage tank.

The other thing I would look at is double di. Yes, your resin costs will be higher, but the outlay for a 4040 and booster pump won't be cheap.

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johnny bravo

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2025, 07:52:09 pm »
frost heater      can you run one of these off a 110   leisure battery     maybe using a convertor  or similar

Spruce

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2025, 08:36:55 pm »
frost heater      can you run one of these off a 110   leisure battery     maybe using a convertor  or similar

No. You would have to have an electrical box installed on your outside kitchen wall near your water tap.

An electrician can fit it into your kitchen ring main.
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Spruce

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2025, 08:50:28 pm »
Over the years there have been the occasional winter heating question by those who aren't able to run a cable out to the van. I recall one question about using the leisure battery in the van to keep everything from freezing up. Most of us knew that using a leisure battery wouldn't work, but we had no figures to justify our answer - well I didn't anyway.

I have a 105 amp lithium phosphate battery on the van.

I also have a 700w/1500w 230v inverter recently purchased. I also have an 800 watt, 220v heater with an added frostat controller. Many years ago it was a wall heater which I have modified by adding a temperature controller, an on/off illuminated rocker switch and fitted it to a metal frame with caster wheels.

I plugged the heater into the inverter the other day to see what would happen. The inverter would only deliver 710 watt with the heater switched on. To supply that heater, the LifePO4 battery was delivering 58 amps to the inverter.

In theory, this combination would drain the battery in just less than 2 hours.

I also learnt the Chinese made inverter isn't able to live up to its advertised specs. Drawing 710 watts took about 3 minutes before the unit identified a fault and switched the inverter off. The inverter's cooling fan did kick on, but the inverter was pretty hot before the fan activated. The other thing is that the supplied cables got rather warm as well. I left the unit connected up, and the inverter fault light did switch off and the inverter started to supply power to the heater. I switched the unit off just after that, as the supply cables just go hotter, as they never fully cooled when the heater was off.
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4Seasons

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2025, 08:01:29 am »
Anyone use these   if so whats your verdict.       Is this company good with customer help if needed.    Easier set up if i go that route.  Not much room for a 4040  Static set up where i am      The Trolley set up is better  option

I've got this trolley from Baileys.
Bought it in 2021.
I use it daily to fill a 400L tank. It has been brilliant.
I've never changed the 4040 membrane and it is still giving me 000 tds output (about 125 - 55 tds in).
I do change the pre filters regularly but thats about all the maintenance I have done.

johnny bravo

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2025, 09:16:47 am »
Spruce ive got a plug socket outside now.    Do you manage to get a heater cable into van door and still lock up ok

Perfect Windows

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2025, 11:07:51 am »
I have a 105 amp lithium phosphate battery on the van.

105Ah at 12v should be 1.26kWh.

The only thing I could see running off that for any time might be one of the enclosure heaters sold by RS components (e.g. https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/enclosure-heaters/3443674 ). Maybe a 40w one, which, used for ten hours overnight, would still take a third of your battery. OK with an LFP battery like yours, a killer for a lead-acid. You'd also need an enclosure to keep the heat around the RO; 40w isn't going to keep things warm enough in the open.

Vin


Don Kee

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2025, 12:34:48 pm »
Spruce ive got a plug socket outside now.    Do you manage to get a heater cable into van door and still lock up ok

If you’ve got the socket outside, run an extension lead out and then put an oil filled radiator in your van.
Your doors on your van should still close and lock with just the cable coming out.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2025, 12:58:11 pm »
I have had an immersion in an old Doblo and in my Hyundai iLoad.

The electric cable is pinched by the door rubber but not damaged.

For context - when I put my reel outside Iand I want to shut the door I can close it fully on Microbore and first latch for 20mm hose to the reel.

An electric cable will be no problem.
It's a game of three halves!

johnny bravo

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2025, 01:53:53 pm »
ill try  side door on dispatch.    Cant have on rear doors as its facing public path.     Curiosity may get the better of some people if seen.      Looking to see if doors can be accesed.       Ill try tonight

Spruce

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2025, 03:33:01 pm »
Spruce ive got a plug socket outside now.    Do you manage to get a heater cable into van door and still lock up ok

I have 16amp cable, and I was uncomfortable slamming the rear doors on the cable. So I fitted a surface mounted power socket on the left side of the van. The side sliding door restricted where I could place this socket, further restricted by side structural supports.
I reverse my van into the driveway. Pedestrian access to the front door is down the driver's side of my van, so I couldn't risk have a power supply cable sticking out. I'll add photos later. (Photos won't upload even although they are below the maximum size).
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windowswashed

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2025, 12:32:11 am »
I've got a tailgate and not barn doors on my van. I reel my hose out and use a pet latch to keep the tailgate slightly ajar but locked, it's worth considering as it's fitted to the locking latch on your van.

Good thing about barn doors is I can stay dry reeling in hose when it's raining and it doesn't take up anymore room than barn doors would in a tight parking space. Don't have to worry doors will be flung open in strong winds either.

Spruce

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Re: Baileys 4040 trolley set up
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2025, 06:31:17 am »
I've got a tailgate and not barn doors on my van. I reel my hose out and use a pet latch to keep the tailgate slightly ajar but locked, it's worth considering as it's fitted to the locking latch on your van.

Good thing about barn doors is I can stay dry reeling in hose when it's raining and it doesn't take up anymore room than barn doors would in a tight parking space. Don't have to worry doors will be flung open in strong winds either.

You mean tail gate. To begin with I worked from the back of a Suzuki Carry van with a tail gate. I agree that it was better than having barn doors as it afforded some weather protection..

But 99% of vans sold in the UK have barn doors as the van can be loaded with a fork lift.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)