[zesty]

Very nice.

Bit weird with the one pedal driving turned on.

L mode is good, it’s near one pedal driving, and does put some juice back in the old battery.

Quiet drive.

Loads of torque.

Very nice to drive. Way better than the older customs.

Great kit.

Steering is responsive and car like.

Digital display is fantastic.

Rear camera is a good, you can access it whilst driving, means you can you effectively have a permanent rear view mirror.

I had the heating on and both electric heated seats. Wife in the passenger seat. No payload in the back, but the range was impressive given its only 4 degree today.

If I can get the right deal. I may purchase one. It was quick too.

The drive started with 180 odd miles of range but did reduce to 169 once all the heating was on etc.

Decisions decisions.

The diesel is also an attractive offer, but DPF issues and wet belts are always a concern to me.

Like the idea of pretty much maintenance free motoring with the electric.

[Splash and dash]

Very nice.

Bit weird with the one pedal driving turned on.

L mode is good, it’s near one pedal driving, and does put some juice back in the old battery.

Quiet drive.

Loads of torque.

Very nice to drive. Way better than the older customs.

Great kit.

Steering is responsive and car like.

Digital display is fantastic.

Rear camera is a good, you can access it whilst driving, means you can you effectively have a permanent rear view mirror.

I had the heating on and both electric heated seats. Wife in the passenger seat. No payload in the back, but the range was impressive given its only 4 degree today.

If I can get the right deal. I may purchase one. It was quick too.

The drive started with 180 odd miles of range but did reduce to 169 once all the heating was on etc.

Decisions decisions.

The diesel is also an attractive offer, but DPF issues and wet belts are always a concern to me.

Like the idea of pretty much maintenance free motoring with the electric.

Take the rose tinted  spectacles  off 😂 there is still a lot to maintain apart from the engine , joking aside they do have there place and when / if they solve the battery range and other issues they will be ok , but cost wise the government will tax them the same as any other vehicle and running costs won’t be any cheaper ones that think they will be cheap to run are very naive, you aren’t going to get rid of an expensive to run ice vehicle and have a cheap as chips electric one it’s not in the manufactures interests to produce such a thing , nor in the interest of the garages that sell them as they will be loosing out in servicing costs , and the government will be loosing billions of fuel revenue they have to continue getting that some how , once a lot go over to ev they will start introducing much higher rate tariffs for electricity to charge ev vehicles they have been talking about this for quite a while already , ime  not against ev the motors are very good but the batteries are the weak link and I think they will be for  many years to come .

[dazmond]

Very nice.

Bit weird with the one pedal driving turned on.

L mode is good, it’s near one pedal driving, and does put some juice back in the old battery.

Quiet drive.

Loads of torque.

Very nice to drive. Way better than the older customs.

Great kit.

Steering is responsive and car like.

Digital display is fantastic.

Rear camera is a good, you can access it whilst driving, means you can you effectively have a permanent rear view mirror.

I had the heating on and both electric heated seats. Wife in the passenger seat. No payload in the back, but the range was impressive given its only 4 degree today.

If I can get the right deal. I may purchase one. It was quick too.

The drive started with 180 odd miles of range but did reduce to 169 once all the heating was on etc.

Decisions decisions.

The diesel is also an attractive offer, but DPF issues and wet belts are always a concern to me.

Like the idea of pretty much maintenance free motoring with the electric.

I think this will be my next vehicle in a few years. Sounds great. What is the payload? I only need a 500L tank and average 3k miles a year. A decent driveway for overnight hook up too so won't get caught out while working.

[Perfect Windows]

Very nice.

...
The diesel is also an attractive offer, but DPF issues and wet belts are always a concern to me.

Like the idea of pretty much maintenance free motoring with the electric.

Sounds good. Thank you. Aren't they weirdly nippy?

If you look up Cleevely EV, they saw that plenty of garages weren't training staff up for EVs so they set up a team of mainly (IIRC) ex-RAC guys to offer at your home servicing.  They've run an MG5 for 140k miles and replaced windscreen wipers and tyres - not even a brake pad. There's a video on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytO36VSujrM - those kind of running costs appeal, though I'm not going to be doing insane mileage.

Do you have a driveway? If not, get onto your council immediately, as I faffed about with ours for a good three months sorting out cross pavement charging before giving up (we're going to reopen the driveway).

With a charger, rather than taking one of the electricity suppliers' charger fitting deals, get a local sparky to quote. There's not a great deal to fitting them and you may get a pleasant surprise. If you want to be on Octopus Intelligent Go (lowest energy price), the cheapest of the chargers that I could find was the Wallbox brand ones.

Let us know how you get on.

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

I think this will be my next vehicle in a few years. Sounds great. What is the payload? I only need a 500L tank and average 3k miles a year. A decent driveway for overnight hook up too so won't get caught out while working.

If your payload is that low there are a vast number of electric vans that will carry it.

Mercedes Vito anyone?  800Kg payload, dirt, dirt cheap (because the earlier ones have an insanely low range - which wouldn't affect you) - 14,000 miles, four years old, £9250 CAP price (which it won't reach) at auction next week. It's a mental price for a Merc van.  Soupy ran a couple.

Vin

[zesty]

Daz, the payload is over a tonne.

I’ve got a best mate who’s a sparky, Vin, so no probs with the EV cable.  Also have a pretty massive driveway 

Maintenance wise, no where near as much as an ICE van. It’s a 2 yearly service regardless of miles.

No belt changes. No DPF issues. No EGR issues. Less brake pad wear (you hardly touch the brakes) no oil changes etc etc.

I love a diesel van, but I’m at the point where it doesn’t make much sense going for another diesel.

[dazmond]

I think this will be my next vehicle in a few years. Sounds great. What is the payload? I only need a 500L tank and average 3k miles a year. A decent driveway for overnight hook up too so won't get caught out while working.

If your payload is that low there are a vast number of electric vans that will carry it.

Mercedes Vito anyone?  800Kg payload, dirt, dirt cheap (because the earlier ones have an insanely low range - which wouldn't affect you) - 14,000 miles, four years old, £9250 CAP price (which it won't reach) at auction next week. It's a mental price for a Merc van.  Soupy ran a couple.

Vin

Unfortunately an 800kg payload van is too low for a 500l tank once you factor in electric reel,diesel heater,ladders,toolbox,tank frame,etc.must be a minimum of 1000kg.

[KS Cleaning]

Very nice.

Bit weird with the one pedal driving turned on.

L mode is good, it’s near one pedal driving, and does put some juice back in the old battery.

Quiet drive.

Loads of torque.

Very nice to drive. Way better than the older customs.

Great kit.

Steering is responsive and car like.

Digital display is fantastic.

Rear camera is a good, you can access it whilst driving, means you can you effectively have a permanent rear view mirror.

I had the heating on and both electric heated seats. Wife in the passenger seat. No payload in the back, but the range was impressive given its only 4 degree today.

If I can get the right deal. I may purchase one. It was quick too.

The drive started with 180 odd miles of range but did reduce to 169 once all the heating was on etc.

Decisions decisions.

The diesel is also an attractive offer, but DPF issues and wet belts are always a concern to me.

Like the idea of pretty much maintenance free motoring with the electric.

Good review. I must admit I am pulling towards an eCustom Sport for my next van, hopefully by the time it comes to change my present Custom Sport there will be a plethora of used low mileage vans on the market, because new prices are insane at the moment😩

[deeege]

Lots of people ‘tempted’ by these, but not many actually pulling the trigger, why’s that? . 

Would like to see the breakdown in cost of ownership of one of these when only doing 3k miles per year like Daz. That’s about £500 in diesel per year equivalent. A days work.

[Soupy]

Lots of people ‘tempted’ by these, but not many actually pulling the trigger, why’s that? . 

Because there's loads of lies being printed in the media and shared online?

[zesty]

Lots of people ‘tempted’ by these, but not many actually pulling the trigger, why’s that? . 

Would like to see the breakdown in cost of ownership of one of these when only doing 3k miles per year like Daz. That’s about £500 in diesel per year equivalent. A days work.

Cos it’s still a lot of money, that’s the only reason 

[Perfect Windows]

Lots of people ‘tempted’ by these, but not many actually pulling the trigger, why’s that? . 

Would like to see the breakdown in cost of ownership of one of these when only doing 3k miles per year like Daz. That’s about £500 in diesel per year equivalent. A days work.

You'd need to take purchase price into consideration. Three of our franchisees have updated their vans in the last 15 months. All paid northwards of £19k, some significantly so.

Because everyone is utterly terrified of BEV vans because they believe the nonsense spread about them we're looking at newer, far (far) lower mileage BEVs for around £12k. We're just waiting for the right van to come up and we'll be away. A £7k+ saving isn't to be sniffed at.

At the moment there are only a handful of used BEV vans up for sale but they'll start to flood onto the market as large companies convert then, three or four years in, sell. Go to a dealer and try to find a used BEV van. Not many about. That's holding people back as well.

The other thing that appeals is that my current van is 18 years old and is pumping out particulates as I drive past schools. Doesn't make me feel terribly good. Nor does the CO2. It's not just about the cash.

Vin

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

Nice one, but you should have done the test drive when the temperature was minus ! I had to go to a funeral on 23rd Nov last year, it was a Saturday morning and the snow was 4 inches thick. Council didn't grit much the night before and it took me an hour to drive 8 miles. I went by 3 EV buses all run out of juice.
The next week, First Bus took all 50 EV buses off the road and ran diesel buses, still not returned. Only time I have ever heard of a funeral being an hour late because hearse was an hour late.

Down at my mate's garage yesterday for weekly coffee gossip morning in-between windy cleans of course.
Was telling me his mate who works for the AA had to tow a car back up to Oban from Glasgow and what a nightmare he had. They had provided him with the companies CC to pay for charging the EV van. He stopped at 3 on the way up and the Card wouldn't work but he got their with a mile to spare. He used his own card up their for the drive back and when he got back they interviewed him about why it took him so long. He asked for his charging money and they asked for a receipt he said you don't get a receipt so he didn't get paid in sterling but in diesel from the spare stuff.

In the end EV's will work but its the anxiety stress that comes along with them. We are all better waiting for the new 4,250Kgs load vans when they begin to appear. Their payload will be around 1500Kgs so I'm told.

In the end, I have opted for a LWB Crafter instead of my MWB so I can keep most of my stuff in it. Like my Vac, Poles, Hose, PF Trolly and my joinery tools. Will reduce my window cleaning back down to 2 weeks a month and do my handyman stuff the other 2 weeks. Then I will get best of both worlds and this seems to work for me because I'm out playing catch up when the weather turns minus, when I refuse to clean windows. Hard to believe, I got pulled up because I was a week late, they had forgot about the weather the week before. 😂

[cgh window cleaning]

Seen a Mercedes mwb electric sprinter today 24k miles for £9450 + vat was 60k +vat new that’s a massive drop in just over 3 years .Not for me but a bargain for some one

[Ste M]

Was this the full electric version? Im very tempted by the hybrid which is the 2.5 petrol with the battery. My wife has a hybrid merc and its perfect. I really like the idea of the same in the van especially with that 2.5 petrol engine. My Custom is 4 years old this year and has a lot of equity in it, if I can get a good enough deal then I will but the price rises have put me off a bit and I've had customs ever since they came out. Currently got two now.

[KS Cleaning]

Are you VAT registered Zesty? Reason I ask is if you look at the advertised prices on Van Trader, these prices are for VAT registered companies only, you can add on a few grand if you’re not.

[deeege]

Lots of people ‘tempted’ by these, but not many actually pulling the trigger, why’s that? . 

Would like to see the breakdown in cost of ownership of one of these when only doing 3k miles per year like Daz. That’s about £500 in diesel per year equivalent. A days work.

You'd need to take purchase price into consideration…

<waffle cut>

Vin

That’s why I said ‘I’d love to see the cost breakdown’……

[zesty]

Are you VAT registered Zesty? Reason I ask is if you look at the advertised prices on Van Trader, these prices are for VAT registered companies only, you can add on a few grand if you’re not.

Nope, under VAT as a sale trader.

I am looking at ex demos.

There is a lot to weigh up, my van owes me nothing accept maintenance. However it is over 10 years old now. It’s a 63 plate custom.

I either go electric and enjoy a new shiny van, and then welcome the tax savings. Or I stick with my current van and have more money in my pocket each month.

It’s actually quite a hard decision!

I’m not interested in going for another diesel, I’ve got one now and aren’t going to gain that much with a newer diesel model. I’ve had DPF issues in the past and really can’t be bothered with wet belt issues in these newer customs.

The hybrid does tempt me, but to be honest, the all electric seems ideal for my rounds.

[Perfect Windows]

That’s why I said ‘I’d love to see the cost breakdown’……

Based on franchisees' van purchases, we're looking at a saving of £7k upwards on the van.

Electric charger £700 fitted

3,000 miles  at 33mpg at £1.45, about £600

3,000 miles at 2.8m/kWh at 7p, about £75

Addition to my insurance (not for Transit but probably comparable) is about £400 (having a 23yo on my insurance is a pain).

So...

Van:+7,000
Charger:-700
Energy:+525
Insurance:-400

So purely financial savings:

Year one, minimum £6,425 saving
Subsequent years, £125 a year.

Ignores servicing cost decrease because I have no way of calculating, except that servicing costs on BEVs are generally far, far lower than on diesels. No oil, no oil filters, no particulate filters, no adblue tanks to gum up, etc. Servicing seems to be suspension, occasional checks that the brakes haven't seized through lack of use, tyres and wiper blades.

Vin

[KS Cleaning]

Are you VAT registered Zesty? Reason I ask is if you look at the advertised prices on Van Trader, these prices are for VAT registered companies only, you can add on a few grand if you’re not.

Nope, under VAT as a sale trader.

I am looking at ex demos.

There is a lot to weigh up, my van owes me nothing accept maintenance. However it is over 10 years old now. It’s a 63 plate custom.

I either go electric and enjoy a new shiny van, and then welcome the tax savings. Or I stick with my current van and have more money in my pocket each month.

It’s actually quite a hard decision!

I’m not interested in going for another diesel, I’ve got one now and aren’t going to gain that much with a newer diesel model. I’ve had DPF issues in the past and really can’t be bothered with wet belt issues in these newer customs.

The hybrid does tempt me, but to be honest, the all electric seems ideal for my rounds.

I think you will have to wait quite a while for an ex demo eCustom and even then you will probably pay close to  the new van price? you won't get the incentive of 0% finance either?

Edit to add: Sorry I am thinking of the eCustom Sport, which is the one I would be interested in. There will be ex demos of the other models much sooner I would think?