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Perfect Windows

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2024, 07:52:23 pm »
Good luck with claiming on your window cleaning liability insurance if their roof starts leaking and they come after you.

Vin

Spruce

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2024, 10:12:43 pm »
Good luck with claiming on your window cleaning liability insurance if their roof starts leaking and they come after you.

Vin

He said in his first post that the customer asked him to do it, Vin. If this is exactly what happened, then surely the customer takes responsibility. I'm not sure that a customer would know his tiles need trimming back and was waiting for someone to come along and do it.

However, if Scottish advised them to cut the tiles back, and they then confirmed that he should do that, then he has to take responsibility for the advice and subsequent damage.

I can imagine a war of blame pointing in the future when any subsequent water damage occurs.

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The older I get, the better I was ;)

Slacky

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2024, 10:16:21 pm »
When you get a customers enquiry it’s still the contractors responsibility to not damage the customers property to the point where it no longer serves the purpose it was originally intended for.

As a window cleaner, smash a window, you’re paying to repair it.

Spruce

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2024, 07:24:54 am »
I don't get why you guys get so angry with him!

It's  entirely up to him whether he wants to offer all these add on jobs as well as the window cleaning that most of us wouldn't dream of taking on.

He will be an incredible asset to his local community

Odd job men are worth their weight in gold to some folk.

I used to do all sorts when I was younger building up my round....painting fences,fixing gutters,putting up xmas lights for elderly customers,etc,etc...

I simply don't offer these services anymore because I have plenty of window work to clean and I'm in my 50s now so don't want to do any ladder work unless it's for family or friends...

That's fine. You are taking about  general fixes. I don't have a problem with any one doing those jobs you mentioned.

It's not the same as taking on jobs which could damage the structural integrity of the house itself.

We have replaced the odd gutter joiner seal for an old person. We have glued back a bit of fascia trim and have also glued back some lead window strips that have lifted. But these are what I would call cosmetic jobs.

Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Scottish Cleaning Service

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2024, 03:32:26 pm »
Normally you can push them back using the gutter back pole

As said…..
 utter madness esp fora lousy 60 notes

Good to know I'm underselling myself. I suppose I like risk and that's the reason I became a fireman. I didn't see any problem with it and thought it was pretty easy. Ladder was jammed into gutter and the bottom was fixed and couldn't move.

Bought a £70 Petzl helmet today as I made 4 ton today building and removing my scaffold also have a £300 Petzl harness.

Once, I was 100 feet in the cage above a scrap yard fire and was looking down on the metal burning and it was white hot. We were spraying it with water but it just turned to steam but looked good for the cameras. Most folk would say that its dangerous but I enjoyed it. It depends on what type of person one is, I have done Potholing and I would say that is hard when your batteries fail!

Absolutely, a roofer would probably have been treble that if not more. One roofer I rang lately had a minimum call out charge of £200  :o.  I get why they can charge a premium, it's their lives on the line up there, why would you value your own at so much less. Just not worth it.

Always shining

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2024, 03:43:23 pm »
You built and then removed your own scaffolding and earned 4 ton! What does that even mean?

Slacky

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2024, 05:44:52 pm »
I get why they can charge a premium, it's their lives on the line up there, why would you value your own at so much less. Just not worth it.

But you did charge less. Which begs the question, why do you value your life so much less. It’s your life on the line up there.

Tam1872

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2024, 05:55:50 pm »
Your of your head doing it at that price, im sure a decent one of them would set you back close to a grand, you might never get asked to cut tiles again, for the outlay and how rare youl use it for jobs like that then the price needs to be a lot higher.

robbo333

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2024, 08:04:30 pm »
My mate was a roofer, his boss caught him masturbating on the roof.
Luckily, the boss said they could 'wipe the slate clean'!
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Scottish Cleaning Service

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2024, 04:35:47 pm »
Got asked to trim the tiles going into a gutter today. Had to take 50mm off the tiles because they couldn't get them cleaned out. Did it with a battery 9" stihl saw and it took 30mins and put the stuff in a bucket off my ladder limb. If was just the front and next year I have the back to do. £60 and a tenner tip so another job I will be offering. 👍

Most roof tiles have a drip edge at the end. When you cut the tile back, you cut the drip edge off. I hope that doesn't cause other rot problems you will get blamed for. Not something I would get involved with offering.

No they don't. They are all made from compressed sand and cement bar the fancy ones in the Victorian era. I'm a joiner and been fixing roofs since I was a teenager. This roof has a great pitch so nothing will come back the way even in high winds. They used to run the felt into the gutter and it slowly disintegrated so now they fit a plastic eaves protector that goes into the gutter and usually comes loose.

Spruce

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2024, 10:01:18 am »
Got asked to trim the tiles going into a gutter today. Had to take 50mm off the tiles because they couldn't get them cleaned out. Did it with a battery 9" stihl saw and it took 30mins and put the stuff in a bucket off my ladder limb. If was just the front and next year I have the back to do. £60 and a tenner tip so another job I will be offering. 👍

Most roof tiles have a drip edge at the end. When you cut the tile back, you cut the drip edge off. I hope that doesn't cause other rot problems you will get blamed for. Not something I would get involved with offering.

No they don't. They are all made from compressed sand and cement bar the fancy ones in the Victorian era. I'm a joiner and been fixing roofs since I was a teenager. This roof has a great pitch so nothing will come back the way even in high winds. They used to run the felt into the gutter and it slowly disintegrated so now they fit a plastic eaves protector that goes into the gutter and usually comes loose.

Sometimes you talk absolute rubbish.
Here is an old roof tile from our house built in the mid 60's.

Notice the drip edge. The tile is upside down btw.

I'm sure with your expertize you can see that the second photo is the top of the tile with a hole for the securing nail. One of the lugs that 'hook' onto the latt has broken off.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

tlwcs

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2024, 01:44:51 pm »
Got asked to trim the tiles going into a gutter today. Had to take 50mm off the tiles because they couldn't get them cleaned out. Did it with a battery 9" stihl saw and it took 30mins and put the stuff in a bucket off my ladder limb. If was just the front and next year I have the back to do. £60 and a tenner tip so another job I will be offering. 👍

Most roof tiles have a drip edge at the end. When you cut the tile back, you cut the drip edge off. I hope that doesn't cause other rot problems you will get blamed for. Not something I would get involved with offering.

No they don't. They are all made from compressed sand and cement bar the fancy ones in the Victorian era. I'm a joiner and been fixing roofs since I was a teenager. This roof has a great pitch so nothing will come back the way even in high winds. They used to run the felt into the gutter and it slowly disintegrated so now they fit a plastic eaves protector that goes into the gutter and usually comes loose.

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Don Kee

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2024, 04:30:00 pm »
Spruce is like the nicest guy on this forum…


If he says you talk absolute rubbish then you can believe that you’re talking absolute rubbish ;D

(I think this is the first time I’ve seen Spruce get genuinely rubbed up the wrong way by someone in the 10+ years I’ve been on this forum ;D)

Spruce

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2024, 05:53:44 pm »
Spruce is like the nicest guy on this forum…


If he says you talk absolute rubbish then you can believe that you’re talking absolute rubbish ;D

(I think this is the first time I’ve seen Spruce get genuinely rubbed up the wrong way by someone in the 10+ years I’ve been on this forum ;D)

I find some of his posts quite interesting, and have often acknowledged this. But he also is inclined to boost about what he can do, and that he is better than everyone else.

If he is happy to do any job and prepared to face the consequences, then that's up to him. But it's also good that other posters point out some of the consequences of his actions that he hasn't thought of, or just plain ignored.

It doesn't matter how the tile is made and how young he was doing roofing; that nothing to do with the fact that tiles have a drip edge.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Always shining

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Re: Bizarre Gutter Job
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2024, 06:12:08 pm »
He’s also done a serious amount of trades in his life. I honestly can’t keep up with it!
When ‘one’ is spinning yarns ‘one’ has to have a good memory.
Just saying!