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Dry Clean

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2024, 12:50:56 pm »
There's no point. If it's cold enough to freeze in the hoses etc when working then it's definitely freezing on the glass. You can work around 0, minus 1/2 etc with cold as long as you keep the water flowing and inside the van is above zero between jobs...

I'll guarantee when you add up the cost of running and maintaining/purchasing a diesel hot water system you won't make a profit from it by gaining the odd hour where it might have got you working a handful of times a year.

My new van doesn't have a bulkhead, from using a van like this before I know its great for winter as you can keep the entire system warm all day.

The cost of a diesel hot water system is worth it to me as I use it every day all year round.

I don't regret it one bit as it makes every working day easier and happier....

I've got a large church and school to clean today and I need all 100m of hose off my reel for both jobs....it would defo freeze in the hose if I was using cold water or my jets would freeze up.

I'll be finished for 2pm then another 3 day weekend....

I love my working life as I've got the right balance these days...😎👍

Do you actually think it cleans better daz, because hot water is great on grease and fats etc, but general dust and grime can’t see the major benefit. I’ve never struggled to clean with cold water, the brush does the work in a couple of strokes.

Its whatever makes you happy, I always used to hate cleaning in minus temps so not wasting money on stuff I didn't need meant I didn't always need to, if you are going to add another expense to your business do it to solve an actual problem such as a lack of  speed or poor quality, the best excuse you will get for it on here is more flexible hoses and having it shows I'm doing well  for myself. ;D

dazmond

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2024, 08:48:52 pm »
Hot water makes me happy to work so it's worth every penny to me. 👍🙂
price higher/work harder!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2024, 06:14:49 pm »
My son in law uses on demand hot. Loves it.

I am very content with my immersion which I use in overnight temperatures below about 5 degrees.
It's a game of three halves!

Scottish Cleaning Service

  • Posts: 485
Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2024, 06:41:02 pm »
Im so glad I invested in a hot water system  7 years ago now.

Not just for freezing weather either. It's just much nicer to work with all year round but especially from oct-march time when it's a lot cooler.

I have only every ran with hot water and think its the best thing to begin with even if one needs a loan to buy it because you will never look back. I'm not boasting, I just think cold is a backward step in window cleaning. Today I made £190 from 10.30 am to 1.30pm and say it cost me less than a tenner on diesel, its a no brainer. fwiw

Scottish Cleaning Service

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2024, 06:53:56 pm »
Hot water makes me happy to work so it's worth every penny to me. 👍🙂

Never a truer word said. I studied all the best folk on the other forum that were doing great or said so. I then decided to copy them and buy what they had. Big tank, RO System, Electric Reels, 2 Man System, Big Van, Extreme Poles, 4 Jet Brushes, Microbore Hose, Univalve, 25' 22' & 18' Poles, Diesel Hot Water System and I have never looked back. I can only say, its a money maker and especially when customers say there is steam coming from your brush when cleaning their windows. This is the best kept secret in window cleaning and if you want to make easy money then go for it.

Ignore what cold guys say and save up and go down this route and be assured you will never look back. 😉

KS Cleaning

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2024, 12:03:02 am »
Hot water makes me happy to work so it's worth every penny to me. 👍🙂

Never a truer word said. I studied all the best folk on the other forum that were doing great or said so. I then decided to copy them and buy what they had. Big tank, RO System, Electric Reels, 2 Man System, Big Van, Extreme Poles, 4 Jet Brushes, Microbore Hose, Univalve, 25' 22' & 18' Poles, Diesel Hot Water System and I have never looked back. I can only say, its a money maker and especially when customers say there is steam coming from your brush when cleaning their windows. This is the best kept secret in window cleaning and if you want to make easy money then go for it.

Ignore what cold guys say and save up and go down this route and be assured you will never look back. 😉
Really? Hate to spoil it for you but Dazmond has let the cat out of the bag🤣

Dry Clean

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2024, 06:18:54 am »
Im so glad I invested in a hot water system  7 years ago now.

Not just for freezing weather either. It's just much nicer to work with all year round but especially from oct-march time when it's a lot cooler.

I have only every ran with hot water and think its the best thing to begin with even if one needs a loan to buy it because you will never look back. I'm not boasting, I just think cold is a backward step in window cleaning. Today I made £190 from 10.30 am to 1.30pm and say it cost me less than a tenner on diesel, its a no brainer. fwiw

I would have made the £190 and saved the tenner, making stuff more expensive than it needs to be is hardly a no brainer, ;D ;D

Dry Clean

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2024, 06:48:20 am »
Hot water makes me happy to work so it's worth every penny to me. 👍🙂

Never a truer word said. I studied all the best folk on the other forum that were doing great or said so. I then decided to copy them and buy what they had. Big tank, RO System, Electric Reels, 2 Man System, Big Van, Extreme Poles, 4 Jet Brushes, Microbore Hose, Univalve, 25' 22' & 18' Poles, Diesel Hot Water System and I have never looked back. I can only say, its a money maker and especially when customers say there is steam coming from your brush when cleaning their windows. This is the best kept secret in window cleaning and if you want to make easy money then go for it.

Ignore what cold guys say and save up and go down this route and be assured you will never look back. 😉

A big tank gives you the ability to clean more, light weight poles and brushes don't need explaining,  4 jets don't make a difference unless you're using a wide brush, choosing an RO or DI only system will depend on your tap TDS, at around 300ppm I found it cheaper to use both, electric reels remove the need to manually reel in your hose saving you energy, if you're constantly finding stuff on the glass that's hard to remove using cold water alone (slowing you down) or getting customer complaints about quality then it may be worth looking at a hot system, if not its just an expense you don't need.
I tend to ignore people who tell you you should be using stuff but cant give a sensible reason on why. ;D

Scottish Cleaning Service

  • Posts: 485
Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2024, 08:05:59 am »
Im so glad I invested in a hot water system  7 years ago now.

Not just for freezing weather either. It's just much nicer to work with all year round but especially from oct-march time when it's a lot cooler.

I have only every ran with hot water and think its the best thing to begin with even if one needs a loan to buy it because you will never look back. I'm not boasting, I just think cold is a backward step in window cleaning. Today I made £190 from 10.30 am to 1.30pm and say it cost me less than a tenner on diesel, its a no brainer. fwiw

I would have made the £190 and saved the tenner, making stuff more expensive than it needs to be is hardly a no brainer, ;D ;D

Its the time one saves. Have you thought why we are having this Topic? Its because the guy runs with cold, hot guys don't even give it a second thought. Up here not many run with hotwater because you need to go down south to get it fitted.

Scottish Cleaning Service

  • Posts: 485
Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2024, 08:15:33 am »
Hot water makes me happy to work so it's worth every penny to me. 👍🙂

Never a truer word said. I studied all the best folk on the other forum that were doing great or said so. I then decided to copy them and buy what they had. Big tank, RO System, Electric Reels, 2 Man System, Big Van, Extreme Poles, 4 Jet Brushes, Microbore Hose, Univalve, 25' 22' & 18' Poles, Diesel Hot Water System and I have never looked back. I can only say, its a money maker and especially when customers say there is steam coming from your brush when cleaning their windows. This is the best kept secret in window cleaning and if you want to make easy money then go for it.

Ignore what cold guys say and save up and go down this route and be assured you will never look back. 😉

A big tank gives you the ability to clean more, light weight poles and brushes don't need explaining,  4 jets don't make a difference unless you're using a wide brush, choosing an RO or DI only system will depend on your tap TDS, at around 300ppm I found it cheaper to use both, electric reels remove the need to manually reel in your hose saving you energy, if you're constantly finding stuff on the glass that's hard to remove using cold water alone (slowing you down) or getting customer complaints about quality then it may be worth looking at a hot system, if not its just an expense you don't need.
I tend to ignore people who tell you you should be using stuff but cant give a sensible reason on why. ;D

R O is a no brainer in Scotland because we don't have water meters and we can take as much as we need. I noticed that Joiners that were doing well all had the best tools. I asked a guy why he bought them and he told me his answer. "I'm trying to make my business as efficient as I can"
I decided to do this in window cleaning when I changed over to WFP. Customers didn't want me to change and refused when I tried it out. Fairly soon I gave them the ultimatum, either you accept WFP or you find someone else because that's all I use. They all went with it because customers don't like change in who is cleaning their windows.
I run my company now, not my customers, only wish I knew this years ago.

CleanClear

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Re: Isopropanol...is it cost effective to stop your water freezing?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2024, 09:11:17 pm »
Hot water makes me happy to work so it's worth every penny to me. 👍🙂

Never a truer word said. I studied all the best folk on the other forum that were doing great or said so. I then decided to copy them and buy what they had. Big tank, RO System, Electric Reels, 2 Man System, Big Van, Extreme Poles, 4 Jet Brushes, Microbore Hose, Univalve, 25' 22' & 18' Poles, Diesel Hot Water System and I have never looked back. I can only say, its a money maker and especially when customers say there is steam coming from your brush when cleaning their windows. This is the best kept secret in window cleaning and if you want to make easy money then go for it.

Ignore what cold guys say and save up and go down this route and be assured you will never look back. 😉

A big tank gives you the ability to clean more, light weight poles and brushes don't need explaining,  4 jets don't make a difference unless you're using a wide brush, choosing an RO or DI only system will depend on your tap TDS, at around 300ppm I found it cheaper to use both, electric reels remove the need to manually reel in your hose saving you energy, if you're constantly finding stuff on the glass that's hard to remove using cold water alone (slowing you down) or getting customer complaints about quality then it may be worth looking at a hot system, if not its just an expense you don't need.
I tend to ignore people who tell you you should be using stuff but cant give a sensible reason on why. ;D

R O is a no brainer in Scotland because we don't have water meters and we can take as much as we need. I noticed that Joiners that were doing well all had the best tools. I asked a guy why he bought them and he told me his answer. "I'm trying to make my business as efficient as I can"
I decided to do this in window cleaning when I changed over to WFP. Customers didn't want me to change and refused when I tried it out. Fairly soon I gave them the ultimatum, either you accept WFP or you find someone else because that's all I use. They all went with it because customers don't like change in who is cleaning their windows.
I run my company now, not my customers, only wish I knew this years ago.

How you finding it now Mike , running it yourself ?
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