[Soupy]

Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.

So when Royal Mail invest in EV's, it's not going to help.  They're useless.

Yet Amazon are doing the same but they're not useless.

https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries

What I meant is it's just more expense for Royal Mail that they cannot afford.

Who posts letters anymore? Have you seen the price of a first class stamp lately? And it's cheaper & more reliable to use other companies. They're dying.

Do you think so?

I'd been waiting weeks for a delivery from evri. It's a vehicle part so I couldn't afford to wait any longer. I contacted the seller and asked them to chase it up. They sent out another one via evri. After another wait I contacted the seller again and asked them to post it royal mail next day, I would pay for the postage. It arrived the next day.

I suppose locally there can be variation between all the delivery companies.

I always prefer if things are sent to me via royal mail. The postie is here every day even if we have no post (we let him use the toilet). Also if it's stuck, I can go to the post office and collect. Not like many of the other delivery companies in my experience (evri in particular).

On a separate note I now have 2 spare CV joints for a vauxhall vivaro if any one is interested...

[AuRavelling79]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."

So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.

Well obviously. 

Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.

It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.

Yet in Trump's America they have 20,000.

In 1960 British Railways were still building steam locomotives. By 1968 every single one had gone.

So, Trump, America, British Rail , steam trains, Royal Mail and Amazon relate to a UK sole trader window cleaner........how?🤔

They do. The price of oil is global. EV is global. If China takes the lead using EV in its massive cities which are like London on steroids then they may steal a march on Trump and his stagnant isolationist ways.

(Of course we are not all sole trader window cleaners on here but hey ...)

If these massive organisations buy thousands of vans then we can see how they perform; maybe buy one when they are sold - or avoid if we find that batteries don't last as long as we are now promised.

If Trump says drill baby drill and succeeds in bringing down the price of oil (oink flap?) we diesel drivers will benefit. But it will also bring down the cost of EV's.

Personally I have no intention of going EV as I hope my current 2.5L diesel will see me out over the next three years.

But if I had ten years to go - with my usual maximum for work of 30 miles a day and a driveway I'd certainly consider one if the price was right.

Especially if I needed to use the Bristol congestion zone.

The steam engine illustration shows how quickly things can change. America got rid of steam in the 50's. The UK in the 60's.

Just ten years prior they were still building them with a life expectancy of 30 plus years.

If we don't learn from history we dig our heels in and might spout from our experience to date.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

[AuRavelling79]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.

Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!

[AuRavelling79]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.

Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!

Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.

But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.

Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!

Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.

But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.

Not necessarily, technology could be applied to discount the mileage charge for a public charged vehicle.
Net zero is not for our benefit from a financial point of view. It's just the latest vehicle to ensure the money keeps rolling in at the top!

[AuRavelling79]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.

Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!

Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.

But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.

Not necessarily, technology could be applied to discount the mileage charge for a public charged vehicle.
Net zero is not for our benefit from a financial point of view. It's just the latest vehicle to ensure the money keeps rolling in at the top!

The money will be taxed as always.

The trick is to choose wisely what we will do personally but based on facts rather than preconceived ideas.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

I think this thread now needs to be locked, and best deleted. It's all got a little,.... Crazy!!🤣🤣

One thing's for sure, which ever technology takes over from oil, we'll still be paying at least the same, probably more than we do now to drive! There'll be no 7ppkwh tarrifs, potentially even a reversal of peak/off peak times. All our energy companies are foreign owned/invested and the Government can't afford to lose fuel duty. So, at the moment, while it's subsided and you can buy cheap second hand, you can probably make it crack. But rest assured, it definitely will not stay this way for long!

Think it through. Solar panels and residential batteries can make electricity free or very cheap. Especially if like Royal Mail and Amazon your have square kilometres of roofs and grounds to use.

Yep, then you'll pay per mile! Even if your fuel was free, the tax would simply be applied another way!

Maybe. At this stage that is speculation.

But that would mean those without their own sockets would pay more.

Not necessarily, technology could be applied to discount the mileage charge for a public charged vehicle.
Net zero is not for our benefit from a financial point of view. It's just the latest vehicle to ensure the money keeps rolling in at the top!

The money will be taxed as always.

The trick is to choose wisely what we will do personally but based on facts rather than preconceived ideas.

Indeed. The issues begin when they start to change the goalposts. 

[AuRavelling79]

They always will.

[cgh window cleaning]

Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?

[Soupy]

Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?

Until April they aren't subject to any tax. After that it's £195

[Splash and dash]

Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?

Until April they aren't subject to any tax. After that it's £195

Guessing the higher rate if the vehicle is over 40 k for the first 4 years will apply ?

[zesty]

Are Ev’s subject to luxury vehicle tax or is that just non commercial petrol /diesel cars?

Until April they aren't subject to any tax. After that it's £195

Guessing the higher rate if the vehicle is over 40 k for the first 4 years will apply ?

A quick google search suggests that’s true.

You ain’t getting any incentives these days 

[Perfect Windows]

If these massive organisations buy thousands of vans then we can see how they perform; maybe buy one when they are sold - or avoid if we find that batteries don't last as long as we are now promised.

Funnily enough, had a thought about this today. Still waiting for the right van to turn up at auction so I started looking at cars. I quite fancy a Hyundai Kona. There's one on BCA, 2021 with 103k miles. Battery health 96%.

Maybe the batteries are slightly better than the pessimists claim.

Nissan did a great deal of harm with the early Leaf, with its uncooled battery.  Degraded quickly and convinced people batteries would always be like that. Obviously things have moved on over the past decade. Who'd have thought?

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

Also read research over the weekend that reported the single biggest battery life predictor is how often you use high voltage DC charging. More HVDC, less battery life.

That suggests that if you can charge at home on a standard home AC charger, degredation isn't going to be a problem. Add in that if you can charge to a maximum 80% most of the time, that also hugely improves longevity. For most of us, that would suit our workload perfectly.

Vin

[Splash and dash]

Also read research over the weekend that reported the single biggest battery life predictor is how often you use high voltage DC charging. More HVDC, less battery life.

That suggests that if you can charge at home on a standard home AC charger, degredation isn't going to be a problem. Add in that if you can charge to a maximum 80% most of the time, that also hugely improves longevity. For most of us, that would suit our workload perfectly.

Vin

10 hours to charge a small 75 kw battery 😂😂😂

[Perfect Windows]

10 hours to charge a small 75 kw battery 😂😂😂

I'll be fast asleep. And it'll be about 20% discharged on my biggest day, so it won't take 10 hours. Apart from those two inconvenient facts, you're bang on the money.

Vin

[Splash and dash]

lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff  we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does  happen.

[zesty]

lol first customer of the day today I turn up and he’s waiting to be picked up for work , got talking to him and his car was on charge last night starts charging at 1am he’s on some cheap tariff  we had a thunder storm in the night and the trip blew , he comes out this morning and the cars not charged , something else to consider , admittedly it’s not going to happen all the time but very inconvenient when it does  happen.

You can’t beat a diesel.

If it wasn’t for DPF’s and wet belts, I’d never be looking into the E Transit Custom.