[windowswashed]

Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.

[Perfect Windows]

Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.

Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.

Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.

Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.

Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.

Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)

How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.

Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.

Vin

[KS Cleaning]

Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.

Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.

Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans

Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.

Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.

Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)

How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.

Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.

Vin

Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.

[Bungle]

What's your problem?

Bungle

[AuRavelling79]

Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.

Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.

Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans

Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.

Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.

Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)

How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.

Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.

Vin

Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.

What a sniping comment.

Disagree with any point made if you wish, but if someone wants to put their name to a post then let them do so without inferring character flaws from it please.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.

Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.

Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans

Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.

Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.

Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)

How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.

Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.

Vin

Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.

What a sniping comment.

Disagree with any point made if you wish, but if someone wants to put their name to a post then let them do so without inferring character flaws from it please.

Would the same apply here? Inferring a character flaw? Sniping comment?
Do we have Two-tier moderating now?🤔

"I read Zesty's post. It seemed pretty clear. If I've misunderstood whatever our resident Walter Mitty said, I apologise."

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.
You'll have evidence for that, I'm sure

Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.

I feel it's polite to sign my name to what I say. Been doing it for about 14 years on here (and other forums), but now I know it irritates you I'll stop doing it immediately.

Vin

(I lied)

[AuRavelling79]

Wait ten years then ask yourself what's good about EV's, think everyone buying into long term ownership of EV's will get stung and shafted by batteries, depreciation, lack of charging faciities, lack of qualified mechanics to service them, huge fees for disposing of used batteries, over pricing to charge publicly and overtaxed by the government who'll want their share of taxes.
Won't affect me as I won't be driving anyway.

Batteries generally have an eight year warranty so I wouldn't expect them to die at ten.
He didn’t say they would die at 10 years old though did he? But one thing’s for sure, the batteries will have degenerated so much that the vehicle will be worth peanuts.

Depreciation affects anyone who buys a brand new van.
Depreciation affects used vans too, agreed not to the extent of new vans

Lack of charging facilities doesn't affect anyone who covers a local area (like most window cleaners). And numbers are growing by 60% a year. There's demand, so it's being filled.

Lack of qualified mechanics is unlikely in your ten year timescale. 31% of new vehicles sold in December were EVs. Dealers aren't stupid; they'll have to train up staff or lose what little servicing revenue there will be.

Why would there be huge fees for disposal given that battery recycling is perfectly feasible? The only reason there isn't a huge recycling infrastructure now is that there aren't many end of life batteries out there as they are lasting (See point 1)

How many 200+ miles trips do you expect to do? Those are the only times when public charger prices come into play. I do four 400 mile round trips a year. For those, total public charge prices for me will be around £120. Hardly crippling.

Tax. Sure. It's not like you currently pay tax on diesel or petrol, is it? I'm also keen to see how they'll tax the leccy from my solar panels.

Vin

Why do you feel the need to sign off your name after each post? Just smacks of self importance.

What a sniping comment.

Disagree with any point made if you wish, but if someone wants to put their name to a post then let them do so without inferring character flaws from it please.

Would the same apply here? Inferring a character flaw? Sniping comment?
Do we have Two-tier moderating now?🤔

"I read Zesty's post. It seemed pretty clear. If I've misunderstood whatever our resident Walter Mitty said, I apologise."

Vin

No.

It comes under a response to one comment. If it continues and becomes a pattern point it out, if I don't immediately see it myself.

My remark was about simply putting a name under a post.

[M.c.s]

Aren't electric  vans etc getting charged for ved.road tax  after April 2025

[Soupy]

Aren't electric  vans etc getting charged for ved.road tax  after April 2025

Yes. £10

Electric, zero or low emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025
You will need to pay the lowest first year rate of vehicle tax set at £10 from 1 April 2025. From the second tax payment onwards, you will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.

£195 if it's second hand.

Electric, zero or low emission cars registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025
You will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.

[M.c.s]

Aren't electric  vans etc getting charged for ved.road tax  after April 2025

Yes. £10

Electric, zero or low emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025
You will need to pay the lowest first year rate of vehicle tax set at £10 from 1 April 2025. From the second tax payment onwards, you will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.

£195 if it's second hand.

Electric, zero or low emission cars registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025
You will pay the standard rate. This will be £195.

I thought so mine was manufactured  march 2017. So iam ok however I may have to sell it anyway to get a bigger one and I will be doing more milage so may have to go back to diesel. Shame really I've got used to te £6 charge per week

[AuRavelling79]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."

So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.

[Simon Trapani]

Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.

[AuRavelling79]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."

So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.

Well obviously. 

Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.

[AuRavelling79]

Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.

So when Royal Mail invest in EV's, it's not going to help.  They're useless.

Yet Amazon are doing the same but they're not useless.

https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."

So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.

Well obviously. 

Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.

It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.

[AuRavelling79]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."

So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.

Well obviously. 

Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.

It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.

Yet in Trump's America they have 20,000.

In 1960 British Railways were still building steam locomotives. By 1968 every single one had gone.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/royal-mail-deploys-6-000th-electric-vehicle

They're all diesel round my way, of course. 😇

 

"Total fleet: Royal Mail's fleet includes over 41,500 vans, 6,200 trucks, and trailers."

So, the vast majority of the fleet are still diesel.

Well obviously. 

Only a fool would change over before economic use had been made of the previously bought vehicles.

It's more like a token gesture, the beginning of what they are being forced into- a drive to net zero. Not once is 'economy' mentioned within the article. EVs have been available for a number of years now, well beyond the usual 3 year lease.

Yet in Trump's America they have 20,000.

In 1960 British Railways were still building steam locomotives. By 1968 every single one had gone.

So, Trump, America, British Rail , steam trains, Royal Mail and Amazon relate to a UK sole trader window cleaner........how?🤔

[Simon Trapani]

Royal Mail are struggling massively financially. Have been for years. The world has changed & although they’ve tried to change so as to compete with the likes of Amazon I think there’s resistance amongst staff. I can’t see their investment in EV’s helping. Personally, I got no time for them these days . Useless company.

So when Royal Mail invest in EV's, it's not going to help.  They're useless.

Yet Amazon are doing the same but they're not useless.

https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/sustainability/amazon-zero-exhaust-emissions-uk-electric-trucks-rail-deliveries

What I meant is it's just more expense for Royal Mail that they cannot afford.

Who posts letters anymore? Have you seen the price of a first class stamp lately? And it's cheaper & more reliable to use other companies. They're dying.