[Stoots]

I have a view on EVs - utter poop

Helpful. 

Just simplifying it. They just aren't up to the job, maybe in the future they will  be but besides any other argument the range they offer its useless and its not like you can just nip in a petrol station  when the fuel light comes on and just refill your tank and off you go.
One day I'm sure we Will all be forced to own one. Glad I grew up with proper combustion engines that make a noise and spew out fumes where something goes wrong you can get a spanner out. You can't even hear these daft things coming in a morrisons car park until theyve almost run you over.

[AuRavelling79]

I have a view on EVs - utter poop

Helpful. 

Just simplifying it. They just aren't up to the job, maybe in the future they will  be but besides any other argument the range they offer its useless and its not like you can just nip in a petrol station  when the fuel light comes on and just refill your tank and off you go.
One day I'm sure we Will all be forced to own one. Glad I grew up with proper combustion engines that make a noise and spew out fumes where something goes wrong you can get a spanner out. You can't even hear these daft things coming in a morrisons car park until theyve almost run you over.

Simplifying?

Seems more like simplistic.

I'm sure window cleaners catering for areas in large cities find them very suitable in many situations.

And you've got Soupy on here who runs a fleet of them in Scotland for a large proportion of his rounds.

Your expressed view is entrenched and myopic.

Many people with electric vans rarely need to go to a fuel station as they charge at home and rarely need to do more than 100 miles in a day.

Like sensible Amazon - where they are cost effective they use them. If not they don't.

I could use one easily for my round but I'm not daft enough to buy one in MY PRESENT and near future circumstances.

As for getting your spanner out - great I have rebuilt gearboxes and replaced main bearings in times gone by - times when a car approaching 100k miles was rusted out and fit for the scrapyard.

Modern diesels with sensors and diagnostics don't lend themselves to home maintenance like a Morris Minor much more than an electric vehicle.

[Jay Le Huray]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

[AuRavelling79]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

From the government website ...

From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.

[Ched]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

From the government website ...

From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.

I believe that is for all new models produced after 2019. For models that are in production the noise generators are optional! I have an EV registered in 2024 and it doesn't emit any sound.

[AuRavelling79]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

From the government website ...

From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.

I believe that is for all new models produced after 2019. For models that are in production the noise generators are optional! I have an EV registered in 2024 and it doesn't emit any sound.

Thanks for the clarification. What made you choose an EV?

[zesty]

I love engines.

Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.

EVs are boring, no soul.

[Ched]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

From the government website ...

From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.

I believe that is for all new models produced after 2019. For models that are in production the noise generators are optional! I have an EV registered in 2024 and it doesn't emit any sound.

Thanks for the clarification. What made you choose an EV?

We don't do many long journeys (over 200 miles), we have solar panels on roof so can get good tariff (7p/kwh to charge). Zero road tax, although that goes soon.  Driving one is fun, the instant torque is addictive :-) 7 year warranty. It was cheap, well for a new car it was cheap, same price as a basic Ford Focus. Oh and it has a big sunroof :-)

[tlwcs]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

Respectfully, should you not have looked?

[Ched]

I love engines.

Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.

EVs are boring, no soul.

Nothing could compare to a V10 doing silly revs you are right.

If you drive an EV you will be impressed by the instant torque.

[AuRavelling79]

I love engines.

Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.

EVs are boring, no soul.

Nothing could compare to a V10 doing silly revs you are right.

If you drive an EV you will be impressed by the instant torque.

Yes. I used to think 0-60 in 5 seconds was blisteringly quick on my old motorbike.

Pretty easy for an electric car.

[zesty]

Yep been in a Tesla model s or whatever it is, the fastest one, it’s was absolutely mental. I mean mental. Dual motor jobby.

I’d still choose a v8 or straight 6 with a slower 0-60 time. Every time. I just love engines and noise.

Plus the handling is pants in an EV.

There’s also something about gear changes that I love. Downshifts as well, they just make the experience all the more interesting and fun.(obviously in the context of quick cars)

[Splash and dash]

my take on EV's ..... Luckily I will never need a EV van as I'm now retired and the only way I would have a EV car was if it was forced on me which is unlikely to happen as by the time that comes into force I would most likely be dead or stopped driving because of my age.

The other day my wife nearly got knocked over by one whilst crossing the road as neither of us heard it coming, if you ask me I think they are BLO*DY dangerous.

From the government website ...

From 1 July 2019, all manufacturers must install a system in new types of quiet electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Sound generators will produce a specified level of noise when they are reversing or running below 20 km/h (about 12mph). The sound generated will be similar to that made by a conventional engine and can be temporarily deactivated by the driver if judged necessary.

This is not the case though they don’t make a noise around town they are virtually silent

[Stoots]

Yeh they are a bit faster but its cheating. Its not a proper machine...whats the point of faster when you cant hear the power.

The burble my old triumph street triple makes when you come off the throttle through its twin arrow exhausts 

EVs sound like a kids toy, and you can only hear them once you are almost under the wheels in asda car park

Ev`s = gash
 

[AuRavelling79]

Yeh they are a bit faster but its cheating. Its not a proper machine...whats the point of faster when you cant hear the power.

The burble my old triumph street triple makes when you come off the throttle through its twin arrow exhausts 

EVs sound like a kids toy, and you can only hear them once you are almost under the wheels in asda car park

Ev`s = gash

New fangled fuel injectors on a motorcycle? For wimps. Cheating. You need to hold 4 Mikuni carburettors open like I do on mine.

 

Anyway. Back to electric vans.

[M.c.s]

Mine sounds like a milk float

[Soupy]

Ah the old "I like the noise and inefficiencies of combustion engines and gearboxes" schtick. Lol

The same people who were telling us that they preferred the crackle of vinyl or they prefer the feel of a proper book. In reality they have dusted off a scratched up copy of dark side of the moon once in the last decade and they get Jordan Peterson to read them bedtime stories on audible.

If you have an emotional connection to your van you're an idiot. If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.

It really is that simple.

[dazmond]

Ah the old "I like the noise and inefficiencies of combustion engines and gearboxes" schtick. Lol

The same people who were telling us that they preferred the crackle of vinyl or they prefer the feel of a proper book. In reality they have dusted off a scratched up copy of dark side of the moon once in the last decade and they get Jordan Peterson to read them bedtime stories on audible.

If you have an emotional connection to your van you're an idiot. If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.

It really is that simple.

An electric van would really suit my round as i only do 3000 miles a year in my diesel van. The only downside is I would have to fit a separate diesel tank for my hot water system so I'm not planning on making the switch anytime soon.

[AuRavelling79]

Soupy.

What's the servicing regime and cost on one of your electric vans?

And what's the longest you've kept one before changing it out?

Do any of your electric vans have hot water systems?

[Soupy]

Ah the old "I like the noise and inefficiencies of combustion engines and gearboxes" schtick. Lol

The same people who were telling us that they preferred the crackle of vinyl or they prefer the feel of a proper book. In reality they have dusted off a scratched up copy of dark side of the moon once in the last decade and they get Jordan Peterson to read them bedtime stories on audible.

If you have an emotional connection to your van you're an idiot. If you have the correct circumstances (driveway, non ridiculous travelling distances) you can run an electric van without issue for around 1/2 the running costs of a diesel.

It really is that simple.

An electric van would really suit my round as i only do 3000 miles a year in my diesel van. The only downside is I would have to fit a separate diesel tank for my hot water system so I'm not planning on making the switch anytime soon.

I'd say that perhaps 3000 miles per year isn't enough to justify the extra initial outlay, assuming you are looking at new (second hand is a different story).