[dazmond]

Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.

It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)

Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.

So glad the tories are out!

I'm a very happy man!along with most of the people from the North of England,Scotland and Ireland!

Time to celebrate 🥳 🎉!!!

[Smudger]

It was you lot that put them in power ! 

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

We have had a nightmare for 17 years and glad snp are out. They have done 0 for us bar talk of Independence. They can't run a bath never mind a country, no one knows where all the money has gone. Not sure if you pay ULEZ if you have a mobility badge because up here you don't if you register it with the council. 😉

[dazmond]

It was you lot that put them in power ! 

Not me...I've never voted tory and never would mate...

[KS Cleaning]

It was you lot that put them in power ! 

Not me...I've never voted tory and never would mate...

I can see where he’s coming from as far as Scotland is concerned. The SNP effectively took Labour voters away in droves…….good to see that has been reversed now though.
Maybe you southerners can get taxed to the hilt like us Jock’s now? 🤑😁. Scrap free prescription’s in Scotland and we’ll be on an even keel😉

[dd]

Most presciptions are free anyway. OAPs are free as are people with certain health conditions and children, students. I think around 75% of prescriptions end up being free.

Doesn't make much difference to me though, because if I needed it, I am more likely to die than get an appointment with my GP.

[Perfect Windows]

Yesterday  announced  all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15  2025. December

Nope. Not true in any way, shape or form. It even says it in the article presented as "evidence".

It's the exemption in the Congestion charge zone (central London) not the ULEZ zone (pretty much all of the rest of London inside the M25) that's being stopped.  Given that the CC is intended to (as you might guess) reduce congestion, it makes sense. EVs create as much congestion as any other vehicle.

CC Zone is the bit in the middle. ULEZ zone is the big one. So, to be clear, it's the little bit, not the big.



Odd that a false narrative is being spread on social media, isn't it?

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

Yesterday  announced  all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15  2025. December

Got to feel sorry for the folks in London that have bought an EV to avoid the congestion charge.

Yeh me so I will have to go euro 6 that's if they don't tax them aswell
I have till December  next year

But iam hurting badly atm

Do you do a great deal of work in central London inside the congestion charge zone?

[Soupy]

Yesterday  announced  all electric vans to pay ulez charge per day £15  2025. December

Nope. Not true in any way, shape or form. It even says it in the article presented as "evidence".

It's the exemption in the Congestion charge zone (central London) not the ULEZ zone (pretty much all of the rest of London inside the M25) that's being stopped.  Given that the CC is intended to (as you might guess) reduce congestion, it makes sense. EVs create as much congestion as any other vehicle.

CC Zone is the bit in the middle. ULEZ zone is the big one. So, to be clear, it's the little bit, not the big.



Odd that a false narrative is being spread on social media, isn't it?

Vin

Lol

Got to admit I'm pretty ignorant to TFL policies. I visit London every couple of years, love the place but I'm normally far too drunk to be driving  while I'm there.

Still, disappointed with myself that I fell for the headlines .

[tlwcs]

Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

Well now labour in, we’ll all be paying more to drive around. That’s for sure.

It’s gonna be a rough few years for the country. (Not that it wasn’t already)

Sticking with my trusty transit custom 63 plate until it becomes difficult to drive it through green zone policy’s in my area.

So glad the tories are out!

I'm a very happy man!along with most of the people from the North of England,Scotland and Ireland!

Time to celebrate 🥳 🎉!!!

All my Labour voters (me included) are now saying we were Richer with Richi and now regret voting Labour. I on the other hand think it didn't matter because we were due a recession but I think it could turn into a depression. What's the difference between a recession and a depression?
A recession your neighbour loses their job and a depression you both lose your job. 😂

[Perfect Windows]

Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony

Hi Tony,

Not yet but just on the point of buying.

Took an electric Vivaro out for a test drive. Very pleasing indeed. Really quite amazingly good to drive. Quiet, refined, one forward switch, one reverse and a 210 mile range (probably enough for about a week's use when you take into account the range penalty for the load and a worst case reduction for properly cold weather).

Jumped through a few hoops regarding bolting the tank through the van floor. It was hard to get anyone to tell me if there was room above the battery pack for the bolts but I now know that there is room. It'll need to be up on a ramp to do the work - there isn't the clearance in some spots, plenty in others so it'll need a bit of thought) but I have a local garage happy enough to drop the battery 30cm while we fit.

We don't have a drive (we do but it's a long story) so we're working with the council on a channel across the pavement.

And there's a real opportunity just at the moment. There are a million people out there believing all the lies about Battery Electric Vehicles. The result of that is that they are startlingly cheap secondhand. Toyota e-proace went at auction the other day. 6,000 miles, Grade 1 bodywork, two and a half years old, £11k + VAT

We're just waiting on the right one coming up at auction in the New Year and we'll bag one. By 2035 you'll only be able to buy BEVs so if you're thinking of changing, now's a good time. Eventually people will realise they are the way to go at which point secondhand prices will stabilise and probably increase.

Positives: Quiet, amazingly cheap to run (about 3p a mile if you have a home charger), automatic, fast, great PR, no split charge relays, etc. Servicing dirt cheap (someone on YouTube has run an MG5 for 140,000 miles and replaced only tyres and wiper blades - dozens of BEV owners have similar stories). We also recently had solar and a house battery fitted so we can now run the house on 7.5p per kWh electricity when the solar hasn't fully charged the battery in winter.

Negatives: Bolting tanks in is a challenge, cold weather will drop your mileage by about 25%, more (around 25%) to insure, about as expensive to run as diesel if you have to charge away from home.

Hope that helps.

I'll be back with more when we buy. Should be within a month or so.

Vin

[KS Cleaning]

Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony

Hi Tony,

Not yet but just on the point of buying.

Took an electric Vivaro out for a test drive. Very pleasing indeed. Really quite amazingly good to drive. Quiet, refined, one forward switch, one reverse and a 210 mile range (probably enough for about a week's use when you take into account the range penalty for the load and a worst case reduction for properly cold weather).

Jumped through a few hoops regarding bolting the tank through the van floor. It was hard to get anyone to tell me if there was room above the battery pack for the bolts but I now know that there is room. It'll need to be up on a ramp to do the work - there isn't the clearance in some spots, plenty in others so it'll need a bit of thought) but I have a local garage happy enough to drop the battery 30cm while we fit.

We don't have a drive (we do but it's a long story) so we're working with the council on a channel across the pavement.

And there's a real opportunity just at the moment. There are a million people out there believing all the lies about Battery Electric Vehicles. The result of that is that they are startlingly cheap secondhand. Toyota e-proace went at auction the other day. 6,000 miles, Grade 1 bodywork, two and a half years old, £11k + VAT

We're just waiting on the right one coming up at auction in the New Year and we'll bag one. By 2035 you'll only be able to buy BEVs so if you're thinking of changing, now's a good time. Eventually people will realise they are the way to go at which point secondhand prices will stabilise and probably increase.

Positives: Quiet, amazingly cheap to run (about 3p a mile if you have a home charger), automatic, fast, great PR, no split charge relays, etc. Servicing dirt cheap (someone on YouTube has run an MG5 for 140,000 miles and replaced only tyres and wiper blades - dozens of BEV owners have similar stories). We also recently had solar and a house battery fitted so we can now run the house on 7.5p per kWh electricity when the solar hasn't fully charged the battery in winter.

Negatives: Bolting tanks in is a challenge, cold weather will drop your mileage by about 25%, more (around 25%) to insure, about as expensive to run as diesel if you have to charge away from home.

Hope that helps.

I'll be back with more when we buy. Should be within a month or so.

Vin

Did you get an insurance quote? I’m sure someone on here was quoted silly money to insure an electric van?

[Splash and dash]

Hi Vin.
Did you get an electric van and if you did how are you finding it.
Tony

Hi Tony,

Not yet but just on the point of buying.

Took an electric Vivaro out for a test drive. Very pleasing indeed. Really quite amazingly good to drive. Quiet, refined, one forward switch, one reverse and a 210 mile range (probably enough for about a week's use when you take into account the range penalty for the load and a worst case reduction for properly cold weather).

Jumped through a few hoops regarding bolting the tank through the van floor. It was hard to get anyone to tell me if there was room above the battery pack for the bolts but I now know that there is room. It'll need to be up on a ramp to do the work - there isn't the clearance in some spots, plenty in others so it'll need a bit of thought) but I have a local garage happy enough to drop the battery 30cm while we fit.

We don't have a drive (we do but it's a long story) so we're working with the council on a channel across the pavement.

And there's a real opportunity just at the moment. There are a million people out there believing all the lies about Battery Electric Vehicles. The result of that is that they are startlingly cheap secondhand. Toyota e-proace went at auction the other day. 6,000 miles, Grade 1 bodywork, two and a half years old, £11k + VAT

We're just waiting on the right one coming up at auction in the New Year and we'll bag one. By 2035 you'll only be able to buy BEVs so if you're thinking of changing, now's a good time. Eventually people will realise they are the way to go at which point secondhand prices will stabilise and probably increase.

Positives: Quiet, amazingly cheap to run (about 3p a mile if you have a home charger), automatic, fast, great PR, no split charge relays, etc. Servicing dirt cheap (someone on YouTube has run an MG5 for 140,000 miles and replaced only tyres and wiper blades - dozens of BEV owners have similar stories). We also recently had solar and a house battery fitted so we can now run the house on 7.5p per kWh electricity when the solar hasn't fully charged the battery in winter.

Negatives: Bolting tanks in is a challenge, cold weather will drop your mileage by about 25%, more (around 25%) to insure, about as expensive to run as diesel if you have to charge away from home.

Hope that helps.

I'll be back with more when we buy. Should be within a month or so.

Vin

The problem is as technology improves the older versions aren’t wanted and prices drop like rocks , the reason prices are so low is people won’t buy them , as an example my van is diesel and now is best part of 48k the electric version of it is 27 k and they can’t sell them , also the range in real driving conditions is 80-90 miles that’s what the dealers are admitting. Ime not against electric vehicles but the battery technology is no ware near ready for this type of application I think hydrogen is the way ahead for commercial vehicles . Time will tell I guess .

[Perfect Windows]

I'll make a deal. If, in five years, hydrogen vehicles make up more than 1% of the world vehicle fleet, I'll bare my arse on the monument outside Buckingham Palace on Christmas Day morning.

Fewer hydrogen vehicles sold last year than Ferraris. It takes three times as much energy to move a vehicle one mile using hydrogen than BEV. Not a bald chance.

When a subject is new it's worth spending time to check your sources. Believing what you hear from people who seem plausible but may not know more than they have heard in turn from someone else can really lead you to incorrect conclusions.

Have a look at DPD's fleet and tell me BEVs are a bad idea.

Vin

[Splash and dash]

I'll make a deal. If, in five years, hydrogen vehicles make up more than 1% of the world vehicle fleet, I'll bare my arse on the monument outside Buckingham Palace on Christmas Day morning.

Fewer hydrogen vehicles sold last year than Ferraris. It takes three times as much energy to move a vehicle one mile using hydrogen than BEV. Not a bald chance.

When a subject is new it's worth spending time to check your sources. Believing what you hear from people who seem plausible but may not know more than they have heard in turn from someone else can really lead you to incorrect conclusions.

Have a look at DPD's fleet and tell me BEVs are a bad idea.

Vin

China are spending a fortune on hydrogen development,  DPD  have 4 evs down here they 😂 and have run out of charge and been taken back to there depo on a  recovery truck numerous times , they are ok around a city doing a few miles but not travelling around doing deliveries in rural areas .

[Perfect Windows]

Odd that DPD are still buying BEV vans.

Equally odd that (bar a handful of very small countries) by far the fastest take-up of BEVs worldwide is in China. You'd expect them all to be hydrogen.

[Splash and dash]

Odd that DPD are still buying BEV vans.

Equally odd that (bar a handful of very small countries) by far the fastest take-up of BEVs worldwide is in China. You'd expect them all to be hydrogen.

They aren’t down here as they don’t have the range around a city yes they are fine and they might be popular the local DPD depo is 63 miles away from us so up and back is 126 miles before they have done a single delivery  , none of the owner operators will have them I have spoken to a few of the drivers to get there thoughts , one driver had one for a day didn’t do more than a handful of deliveries and had to be taken back on a recovery truck there wages are dependent on the number of deliveries they do .
China are world leaders on hydrogen technology ime not saying it will replace electric but it has greater range  and more potential than batteries, a guy down the road from me drives an Arctic he has one of theses latest diesel electric ones they drive on diesel until they approach a city then swap to electric it has a maximum range of 7 miles he said he was in Bristol the other week and ran out of power and had to go back to the diesel engine he drives for  a very large well known supermarket and they are trialing theses things none of the drivers like them and  the supermarket have said they won’t be buying any , so no idea what the answer is . We have exactly the same issues down here with the electric diesel busses they are constantly  running on diesel . Ime not against electric vehicles but the batteries aren’t up to the job and there is no ware near enough lithium in the world to make enough , the big battery plant in  Somerset that’s supposed to be making lithium batteries is due to close according to the news , and all this is without the huge issues when they catch fire . Just a scooter battery fire is bad enough , you only have to watch a vape battery burn to see the ferocity of the fire . Having been to a couple of ev fires they are virtually impossible to extinguish, several boats carrying them when brand new have been sunk because they couldn’t put the fire out . Maybe all theses issues will be resolved but it’s many decades away .

[Perfect Windows]

Not only have you spoken to many of DPD's drivers, electric artic drivers and electric bus drivers, but you're an expert on Chinese fuel research along with your deep knowledge of world mineral deposits plus you've attended a number of EV fires.

Merry Christmas!

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Manufacturers will be throwing vans at the likes of DPD in order to comply with the ZEV mandate! Easiest way for a manufacturer to hit their goal! There'll be massive incentives from the industry and powers that be for large fleet companies to buy EV's so it would be naive to look at this as some kind of indication of how good, efficient, or appropriate an electric commercial vehicle is for a single user or small company! Everyone has an agenda- especially at this level! The ZEV mandate increases from 10% in '24 to 16% in 2025 so there will be a bigger 'push' from those with an interest next year!

"The Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate is a law in the UK that requires car manufacturers to sell a rising percentage of zero emission vehicles (ZEVs) each year."
"The mandate's goals are to:
Phase out sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030
Achieve 100% zero emission van sales by 2035"

It's my opinion that EV's will not be the future of commercial transport, certainly not in it's current form. However, that's just my opinion and doesn't mean to say that a single operator or small, local company couldn't benefit from electric vans if the purchase price was at a reasonable level.