[dd]

Trump needs to get voted in first.

Trump needs to NOT get voted in. (At least from my world perspective).

[windowswashed]

There are four well set out  EV charging bays at the end of our village and they look the business. Every time I walk past them the spaces are filled with different ICE vehicles, nobody uses them, quite amazed that no one uses them.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

There are four well set out  EV charging bays at the end of our village and they look the business. Every time I walk past them the spaces are filled with different ICE vehicles, nobody uses them, quite amazed that no one uses them.

Take a look at the Tariff because some are charging way over the odds and it should be licenced.

[AuRavelling79]

As I've grown older (and boy, am I growing older) I've drawn the conclusion that people detest change.

Explains a great deal of modern life. Change of any kind. People hate it.

Vin

No, you just hate anyone having a different opinion! Evidently, you can't actually rest until you reach a certain level of self satisfaction with your opponent- hence locking, then unlocking this thread!😉

If your opinion holds weight you don't need to have 'opponents' or throw in an ad  hominem attack.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

First thing they teach at Harvard is to look at both opinions. Businesses that only look at the leaders opinion usually go bust. Only need to look at the news where the Gov or business only focused on one opinion, Post Office and Blood scandal. I was working last Saturday extending the height of a fence and had to finish early due to heat. Went back next day to finish the other side and I realised I did last bit wrong. Realised it must have been the heat and couldn't think in a logical manner. Best businesses, leaders are ones that are flexible and are willing to licence to everyone.

[Arnold Palmer]

First thing they teach at Harvard is to look at both opinions.

Did you study at Harvard?

If that's the case why are you so keen to dismiss my actual lived experience? Favouring scare stories and hearsay?

[Perfect Windows]

Anyone have experience of running one and kitting it out for window cleaning?

Remember this? Specifically asking for lived experience. Note that I didn't ask this:

Anyone have any unsubstantiated rumours they heard down the pub that they'd like to share?

Pretty much every opinion that's been shared in this thread has led me to more research. So when you told me the Luton fire was an EV problem, I looked. I found the facts behind the rumour and it turned out it wasn't true. Ditto with your repeated comments about fires. Data from a fleet company proved it to be incorrect.

So I am looking at both sides. That doesn't mean that all 'facts' presented are based in truth or that all opinions are equally valid. Lived experience and data are not equivalent to things a random on the internet heard from a mate.

[Spruce]

Anyone have experience of running one and kitting it out for window cleaning?

Remember this? Specifically asking for lived experience. Note that I didn't ask this:

Anyone have any unsubstantiated rumours they heard down the pub that they'd like to share?

Pretty much every opinion that's been shared in this thread has led me to more research. So when you told me the Luton fire was an EV problem, I looked. I found the facts behind the rumour and it turned out it wasn't true. Ditto with your repeated comments about fires. Data from a fleet company proved it to be incorrect.

So I am looking at both sides. That doesn't mean that all 'facts' presented are based in truth or that all opinions are equally valid. Lived experience and data are not equivalent to things a random on the internet heard from a mate.

I have a lot of respect for you, Vin and the way you analyse things; always have had.

15 years ago I would have been dead against an electric vehicle as the only experience I had was with the electric Berlingo Citroën bought out some 25 years ago.

I'm grateful to Soupy for reminding me about my dogmatic views back then. My stance has mellowed a little over the years as EV's have become more common.
Judging by the limited mileage you do and the issues we have with diesels doing low mileage with dpf filters, we do need to consider other possibilities. An EV is probably the best way forward for you, but it may not be for everyone.

As more and more cities are introducing low emission zones, businesses operating within the boundaries of these zones will be 'forced' to consider other options, whether they like it or not.

I'm perhaps a hypocrite because, reluctantly, I succumbed to buying a Lithium LIFEPO4 battery to replace my leisure battery. While I questioned my sanity to begin with, I'm falling in love with this technology. I haven't had to bench charge this battery in the last 3 months. In fact, I have had to switch off my b2b charger to drain the battery a little.

Would I consider an EV? No, but my remaining working life is now short, and we don't have an emission zone to contend with.
But if I was in your situation, it would certainly be a possibility.

What is the future of the EV market? Who knows!

[windowswashed]

Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.

[Perfect Windows]

Some EV manufacturers (e.g. Tesla for some models) have moved to LiFePO4. Much easier to deal with.

Vin

[dazmond]

Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.

Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.

It's getting delivered this coming  wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

Did you study at Harvard?

No, but I read the book the guy who studied there wrote. I read a book a week. In the end its all what suits ones business model. What an EV van can take weight wise is first thing we need to know and second is how we are going to charge it. Bolting on the system would be number 3 on our list. I would be interested when the 4250kg ones come out but I think they would be well over £50k.

[KS Cleaning]

Biggest mistake I made was buying a hybrid car. Great to begin with but within three years the battery side of the hybrid was letting it down. Fortunate enough to sell it on to replace it with a diesel.
I am heavily into off grid DIY solar with LifePo4 but no way interested in Lithium Ion batteries. It's a learning curve, learning from the internet and wisdom of others. Lithium phosphate batteries have their place in this world for green home energy but don't feel the market is there for EV vehicles in general for another decade at least for many reasons.

Not a van but I've ordered a CUPRA FORMENTOR DSG (petrol version)as I just can't bring myself to bother with a fully electric vehicle at present.the infrastructure just isn't there yet.

It's getting delivered this coming  wednesday!can't wait!as I've been let down with the T-Roc I ordered(not even been built yet)...the cupra is cheaper and looks far more sporty and stylish 😎

Good choice, I would have the  Formentor over a T-Roc

[Spruce]

Some EV manufacturers (e.g. Tesla for some models) have moved to LiFePO4. Much easier to deal with.

Vin

The downside is that LifePO4 batteries don't have the density Lithium Ion does. So LifePO4 batteries don't have the punch Lithium ion does. I don't think it's a problem because these lithium ion EV vehicles have crazy acceleration, which isn't necessary.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

I thought lithium phosphate batteries were the ones on the Dreamliner and kept going on fire so they changed them to lithium ion.

[zesty]

Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed.  Hated the infotainment system.  Nevertheless, enjoy it 

Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.

[KS Cleaning]

Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed.  Hated the infotainment system.  Nevertheless, enjoy it 

Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.

I’ve had both, in fact my wife still has the X4 M40i, out of the two I prefer the BMW.

[Don Kee]

I thought lithium phosphate batteries were the ones on the Dreamliner and kept going on fire so they changed them to lithium ion.

No mate, it was the lithium ion batteries that had the problems on the Boeing Dreamliners.
Be worth googling your “facts” before posting to be honest; reading his thread, it’s not been kind to you.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

No mate, it was the lithium ion batteries that had the problems on the Boeing Dreamliners.
Be worth googling your “facts” before posting to be honest; reading his thread, it’s not been kind to you.

I think I will leave EVs alone and bypass the Merc Sprinter (heard the manifold gives problems) and stick with a nearly new diesel VW Crafter. Had one for 13 years now and not had many problems because its fully maintained by my mate who has his own garage. If you take care of things then they tend to last.

[dazmond]

Daz we Test drove the vz3. Ok car, but wasn’t impressed.  Hated the infotainment system.  Nevertheless, enjoy it 

Gotta be an x3m40i or sq5. We can’t decide.

Mines only the 1.5 DSG but it'll still be OK.the VZ3 are just too expensive IMO.