[Arnold Palmer]

I think they are great in theory but in reality they are rubbish.

Have you tried one in reality?

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?

[Arnold Palmer]

Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?

To be fair, Vin asked some sensible questions that only someone with experience of fitting and using a wfp system in an electric van would know.

It's not his fault others with no actual experience have chipped in their 2p, regurgitating lies spread by oil companies.

[Perfect Windows]

I've gained the information I needed - thanks Soupy.

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?

fo·rum
/ˈfôrəm/
noun
1. a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?

fo·rum
/ˈfôrəm/
noun
1. a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Just buy one Vincent! Go on, do it, you know it makes sense!!😉👍

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

Just buy one, simple. Why you on here lecturing if you're so convinced, it's a no brainer surly? So, what you waiting for?

fo·rum
/ˈfôrəm/
noun
1. a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Just buy one Vincent! Go on, do it, you know it makes sense!!😉👍

Then come back and tell us about all the headaches.

[Perfect Windows]

Which headaches? I'm having trouble keeping up. Will the headaches be the battery life you misunderstood or the battery warranties you misunderstood or the fires you misunderstood?

Or will it be something new?

Vin

[Arnold Palmer]

Which headaches? I'm having trouble keeping up. Will the headaches be the battery life you misunderstood or the battery warranties you misunderstood or the fires you misunderstood?

Or will it be something new?

Vin

Range issues that I've not had in 2 years of daily usage?

Depreciation that you won't have buying second hand?

Genuinely interested in the predictions.

[Arnold Palmer]

One thing I will say that was a headache for us - chargers.

We've had 5 fitted so far in various locations. Only one wasn't a pain in the arse.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

It will soon be a £1 a Kw to charge out on the street. Heard the insurance has tripled on EVs. If you have a bump then the insurance company can right off the vehicle in the realms of safety. Next year road tax comes in for all EVs. If nothing goes wrong with them then they are great but its when stuff begins to happen out- with your control is when the fun begins. In life one always follows the money and this is when the depreciation begins to dive this tells us no one wants them. It should get better but I think Hybrid is the way forward. Toyota are selling one at moment, petrol hybrid that does over 700 miles on a tank of juice. Good to hear how you get on with it but don't park to close to your house when charging it.

[Arnold Palmer]

It will soon be a £1 a Kw to charge out on the street. Heard the insurance has tripled on EVs. If you have a bump then the insurance company can right off the vehicle in the realms of safety. Next year road tax comes in for all EVs. If nothing goes wrong with them then they are great but its when stuff begins to happen out- with your control is when the fun begins. In life one always follows the money and this is when the depreciation begins to dive this tells us no one wants them. It should get better but I think Hybrid is the way forward. Toyota are selling one at moment, petrol hybrid that does over 700 miles on a tank of juice. Good to hear how you get on with it but don't park to close to your house when charging it.

More misinformation.

My electric vans don't cost any more to insure than my diesel vans.

How would hybrid be better? Even more to go wrong, just as "flammable" batteries?

[AuRavelling79]

It will soon be a £1 a Kw to charge out on the street. Heard the insurance has tripled on EVs. If you have a bump then the insurance company can right off the vehicle in the realms of safety. Next year road tax comes in for all EVs. If nothing goes wrong with them then they are great but its when stuff begins to happen out- with your control is when the fun begins. In life one always follows the money and this is when the depreciation begins to dive this tells us no one wants them. It should get better but I think Hybrid is the way forward. Toyota are selling one at moment, petrol hybrid that does over 700 miles on a tank of juice. Good to hear how you get on with it but don't park to close to your house when charging it.

You sound way too emotionally invested in your arguments Michael.

[Smudger]

Give it a few years and the electric car will be viewed as a minor blip that we will all be grateful never became a major source of transport. - if it does we are all DOOOOOOOMED

Hydrogen is the real way forward - clean air - clean fuel - convert your current V8 monster onto it .....

[windowswashed]

Betamax came out before VHS, yet Betamax became obsolete. It doesn't pay to be the first jumping on the bandwagon of new technology.
Wait until all the problems of EV new technology is ironed out. They have low range, higher insurance, higher risk of battery fires.  Price of charging in public is rising, anxiety with range and charging stations. They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU. Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them. EV secondhand sales are depreciating rapidly which in turn fuels new sales. Dealers are refusing to accept old EV's making them become classed as white goods in a throw away society of keep it until it's no longer practical or financially viable to sell.
Hybrids ain't the future as once the battery is knackered the whole ICE car is rendered useless unlike a normal ICE vehicle, people don't realise this.
I'm fortunate I'll retire before needing to worry about EV's being forced upon us owing to ICE vehicles trying to be phased out by government, however the market and public opinion determine the future, not the government.

[Arnold Palmer]

Betamax came out before VHS, yet Betamax became obsolete. So did VHS. What's your point? It doesn't pay to be the first jumping on the bandwagon of new technology.
Wait until all the problems of EV new technology is ironed out. They have low range,Not an issue if you're not driving it very far, like, you know, a window cleaning round higher insurance Not true higher risk of battery fires less risk of diesel fires.  Price of charging in public is rising if you can't charge it at home don't buy one, anxiety with range we suffered with that for two whole days and charging stations. They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU. Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them. EV secondhand sales are depreciating rapidly which in turn fuels new sales. Dealers are refusing to accept old EV's making them become classed as white goods in a throw away society of keep it until it's no longer practical or financially viable to sell.
Hybrids ain't the future as once the battery is knackered the whole ICE car is rendered useless unlike a normal ICE vehicle, people don't realise this.
I'm fortunate I'll retire before needing to worry about EV's being forced upon us owing to ICE vehicles trying to be phased out by government, however the market and public opinion determine the future, not the government.

Ahem.

[Perfect Windows]

One for Soupy:

https://twitter.com/colinwalker79/status/1687040707083509760

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU.

Damn the EU. Forcing us to have stronger laws than they do regarding the phasing out of internal combustion. Painting us into a corner where they make our government, against its will, create rules more stringent than the EU. Bunch of unelected idiots, they are.



Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pathway-for-zero-emission-vehicle-transition-by-2035-becomes-law#:~:text=The%20zero%20emission%20vehicle%20(%20ZEV,increasing%20to%20100%25%20by%202035.

[Arnold Palmer]

Betamax came out before VHS, yet Betamax became obsolete. It doesn't pay to be the first jumping on the bandwagon of new technology.
Wait until all the problems of EV new technology is ironed out. They have low range, higher insurance, higher risk of battery fires.  Price of charging in public is rising, anxiety with range and charging stations. They are being pushed by dealers because of fines if not meeting sales targets by the EU even though we are no longer in the EU. Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them. EV secondhand sales are depreciating rapidly which in turn fuels new sales. Dealers are refusing to accept old EV's making them become classed as white goods in a throw away society of keep it until it's no longer practical or financially viable to sell.
Hybrids ain't the future as once the battery is knackered the whole ICE car is rendered useless unlike a normal ICE vehicle, people don't realise this.
I'm fortunate I'll retire before needing to worry about EV's being forced upon us owing to ICE vehicles trying to be phased out by government, however the market and public opinion determine the future, not the government.

Step away from the daily express/mail/telegraph/sun.

[Perfect Windows]

Manufacturers are slashing prices because they ain't selling enough and some manufacturers are pulling out of making them.

Not selling enough...



Article at: https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/electric-vehicles-uk-sales-price-b2540169.html

Some manufacturers are pulling out of making them? I ask because I had a good look and all I could find was Volvo selling off its share in Polestar in order to concentrate on building EVs under the Volvo name. Can you let me know which manufacturer is stopping making them?