[Splash and dash]

Isn’t insurance more expensive on Electric vans?

Yes they are more expensive to insure as repair costs are much higher

[zesty]

£386 more a year on average compared to the equivalent diesel van.

[Slacky]

I love engines.

Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.

EVs are boring, no soul.

Sure.

A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.

Does your transit custom have a soul?

Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.

Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.

Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.

At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.

My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.

Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.

My transit custom only started to present issues once it hit the 120,000 mile mark.

[KS Cleaning]

I love engines.

Hearing a v10 f1 car is incredible.

EVs are boring, no soul.

Sure.

A van is a tool though. Best tool for the job in hand is what you want.

Does your transit custom have a soul?

Fyi it doesn't. It's a eurobox same as all the others.

Totally agree in the context of fast cars/sports cars.

Van wise, my custom is a workhorse, it’s reliable, I put diesel in and have well over 600 miles range. It carries a lot of weight. It’s pretty much perfect.

At the moment an EV van just isn’t good enough. Too expensive, bad range and often not a good enough payload.

My vivaro can carry 1.2t. It never does but it could.

Congratulations on the world's only reliable Ford.

My transit custom only started to present issues once it hit the 120,000 mile mark.

My Custom would have to be the ripe old age of 30 before reaching that mile mark, just another 25 years to go 😆

[zesty]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

[dd]

Wait 2 years then buy used, assuming the price drops enough.

[Perfect Windows]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔

Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?

[Splash and dash]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

According to the majority of the motoring press and manufacturers data the life span of the batteries in theses things is 8-10 years with some possibility a few might make 15 years with greatly reduced range , so let’s say you buy one that’s 2 years old you could be looking at replacing the battery in 6 years at a cost of 5-20k depending on make and type . So with the depreciation as well the vehicle will be scrapped as it won’t be viable to replace  the  battery , doesn’t sound like a very viable option to me

[AuRavelling79]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔

Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?

Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?

Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?

[Perfect Windows]

According to the majority of the motoring press and manufacturers data the life span of the batteries in theses things is 8-10 years with some possibility a few might make 15 years with greatly reduced range , so let’s say you buy one that’s 2 years old you could be looking at replacing the battery in 6 years at a cost of 5-20k depending on make and type . So with the depreciation as well the vehicle will be scrapped as it won’t be viable to replace  the  battery , doesn’t sound like a very viable option to me

I can't begin to imagine why manufacturers would generally offer 8 years' warranty on batteries if "manufacturers data" suggests they'll only have an eight to ten year lifespan. Sounds a tad risky to me given that if the average is 9 than plenty will fail before the 8 year warranty runs out. Odd.

It's also odd that several manufacturers are moving to ten year warranties. It's equally odd that Hyundai have recently stated they expect (car) batteries to be good for 240,000 miles. It's remarkably odd that MG have just announced their new vehicle next year will have a lifetime battery warranty. It's bizarrely odd that Honda only a couple of days ago said that they now expect batteries to last twice as long as the vehicles themselves.

Odd all round, to be honest.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔

Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?

Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?

Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?

Yep, the 'supreme' one is Vin and the usual morons are other contributors who don't share the same point of view as him, who are assumed to read a certain newspaper and (clearly) generally regarded by him as a bit thick!
Just wanting clarification for the future.😉

[Splash and dash]

According to the majority of the motoring press and manufacturers data the life span of the batteries in theses things is 8-10 years with some possibility a few might make 15 years with greatly reduced range , so let’s say you buy one that’s 2 years old you could be looking at replacing the battery in 6 years at a cost of 5-20k depending on make and type . So with the depreciation as well the vehicle will be scrapped as it won’t be viable to replace  the  battery , doesn’t sound like a very viable option to me

I can't begin to imagine why manufacturers would generally offer 8 years' warranty on batteries if "manufacturers data" suggests they'll only have an eight to ten year lifespan. Sounds a tad risky to me given that if the average is 9 than plenty will fail before the 8 year warranty runs out. Odd.

It's also odd that several manufacturers are moving to ten year warranties. It's equally odd that Hyundai have recently stated they expect (car) batteries to be good for 240,000 miles. It's remarkably odd that MG have just announced their new vehicle next year will have a lifetime battery warranty. It's bizarrely odd that Honda only a couple of days ago said that they now expect batteries to last twice as long as the vehicles themselves.

Odd all round, to be honest.

Tesla quote 300,000 to 500,000 miles battery life  but that’s theoretical and no real world driving to confirm that . But again there batteries are 13-20 k to replace . If you read the small print the battery’s aren’t warranted for 10 years at all especially Hyundai , don’t take my word for it look up Hyundai for yourself . Also see the attached quotes  that make for interesting reading .

So a battery service is over 5k 😂😂so much for cheap running costs

[Perfect Windows]

You might want to respond to what I posted rather than what you think I posted.

[Splash and dash]

You might want to respond to what I posted rather than what you think I posted.

I have

[AuRavelling79]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔

Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?

Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?

Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?

Yep, the 'supreme' one is Vin and the usual morons are other contributors who don't share the same point of view as him, who are assumed to read a certain newspaper and (clearly) generally regarded by him as a bit thick!
Just wanting clarification for the future.😉

Well that's the inference you have drawn anyway.

[Splash and dash]

The new transit custom e does have decent range, it’s super expensive though.  I’m not sure how it’s justified to cough up £500 or more a month on one 

As is clear, I'm looking for an EV. The delay so far has been due largely to my council seeming utterly staggered that anyone might want to charge across the pavement. They appear to have done no preparatory work and this has come upon them unawares. I'm still sure it's the right decision, though.

However, I'll also state categorically that buying a new van would be utter insanity. I think that generally but particularly with BEVs as their depreciation levels are so high.

Before the usual morons tell me that's a reason not to buy one: I plan to benefit from the fact that because so many people buy the utter nonsense the Mail tells them about BEVs, used prices are artificially low at the moment. They won't be for ever but they are now. I'm not buying new and I wouldn't recommend anyone do so. Once you've decided on that, depreciation is a good thing.

Vin

AuRavelling-
"And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.
If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it"🤔

Do the same rules apply to the 'supreme' one?

Who is the 'supreme' one and who has he/she called a usual moron. And why?

Does anyone want to identify themselves as a usual moron?

Yep, the 'supreme' one is Vin and the usual morons are other contributors who don't share the same point of view as him, who are assumed to read a certain newspaper and (clearly) generally regarded by him as a bit thick!
Just wanting clarification for the future.😉

Well that's the inference you have drawn anyway.

I think he has summed it up quite accurately to be honest

[Soupy]

Surely I'm the supreme one?

Or am I the moron?

It must be about me!!

[Perfect Windows]

Surely I'm the supreme one?

Or am I the moron?

It must be about me!!

Has it occurred to you that you may be both?

[Soupy]

Surely I'm the supreme one?

Or am I the moron?

It must be about me!!

Has it occurred to you that you may be both?

Pretty much sums me up, right enough