[Jonny 87]

My next van will be electric.

I’m very close on pulling the trigger too. I’m worried in case I do it now, and then an incentive program comes out.

I just keep watching the prices come down and down.

For less than £30k including vat I can get a “basically” new E-transit.  A bit bigger, but it’s got 1500 kg payload, 110 mile range, and will be cheap as chips for me to run.

Stop start journeys are terrible for our diesel vans, but that’s what electric is made for.

Most days I do less than 30 miles tops, so range isn’t an issue for me.

I’ll just get a seperate diesel tank for my hot water system, that’s a bit of a pain, but it’s not a deal breaker.   

Three pin plugs in the back for a battery charger are handy too. Never any need for a split charge relay, or power problems.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

My next van will be electric.

I’m very close on pulling the trigger too. I’m worried in case I do it now, and then an incentive program comes out.

I just keep watching the prices come down and down.

For less than £30k including vat I can get a “basically” new E-transit.  A bit bigger, but it’s got 1500 kg payload, 110 mile range, and will be cheap as chips for me to run.

Stop start journeys are terrible for our diesel vans, but that’s what electric is made for.

Most days I do less than 30 miles tops, so range isn’t an issue for me.

I’ll just get a seperate diesel tank for my hot water system, that’s a bit of a pain, but it’s not a deal breaker.   

Three pin plugs in the back for a battery charger are handy too. Never any need for a split charge relay, or power problems.

So you're going to spend 30k to do less than 30 miles a day? It can't cost you that much in fuel to begin with, surely?

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

My next van will be electric.

I’m very close on pulling the trigger too. I’m worried in case I do it now, and then an incentive program comes out.

I just keep watching the prices come down and down.

For less than £30k including vat I can get a “basically” new E-transit.  A bit bigger, but it’s got 1500 kg payload, 110 mile range, and will be cheap as chips for me to run.

Stop start journeys are terrible for our diesel vans, but that’s what electric is made for.

Most days I do less than 30 miles tops, so range isn’t an issue for me.

I’ll just get a seperate diesel tank for my hot water system, that’s a bit of a pain, but it’s not a deal breaker.   

Three pin plugs in the back for a battery charger are handy too. Never any need for a split charge relay, or power problems.

I would be waiting till after the UK Gov concludes, The government's eight-week consultation period.
They have shot themselves in the foot by cancelling the free fitted charger instal at the owners home. That's like buying a mobile phone and using someone's  charger or having to buy one.

Govs around the world are killing the car and van industry by forcing them to make something they can't sell, which is the quickest way to go bankrupt. The turning point was when Stellantis announced closing their Luton factory meaning 1100 jobs disappearing. If this is the future of electric vans then heaven help us because evolution is meant to go the opposite way and be in an expanding cycle not a contraction cycle. VW is now in contraction cycle and so are all the rest, that tells me the policy is not working. Anything we rush through is a nightmare which Boeing will elude too.
It will be good to hear the outcome of the consultation but with no plan in place it will only get worse. On April fools day, all EVs begin to pay road tax and it will be good to know how much it will be. If you buy before then you can apply for a year's free road tax, so I was told.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7x3jgw7no

 

[Splash and dash]

Not only have you spoken to many of DPD's drivers, electric artic drivers and electric bus drivers, but you're an expert on Chinese fuel research along with your deep knowledge of world mineral deposits plus you've attended a number of EV fires.

Merry Christmas!

lol all this is common knowledge, we also have an Amazon depo 12 miles away from us and they have over 70 vehicles and not one is electric  wonder why ?

[Perfect Windows]

I guess it's also common knowledge that you live in a truly unique part of the UK when it comes to Amazon. They announced a £300m spend on electric vehicles but missed your local depot where you know the details of all their vehicles for some bizarre reason. I don't even know where my local depot is yet you've been along and inspected their vehicle drivetrains. And none of them are electric. Odd again.

https://vanfleetworld.co.uk/amazon-to-invest-300m-in-uk-electric-fleet/

[Splash and dash]

I guess it's also common knowledge that you live in a truly unique part of the UK when it comes to Amazon. They announced a £300m spend on electric vehicles but missed your local depot where you know the details of all their vehicles for some bizarre reason. I don't even know where my local depot is yet you've been along and inspected their vehicle drivetrains. And none of them are electric. Odd again.

https://vanfleetworld.co.uk/amazon-to-invest-300m-in-uk-electric-fleet/

We do work opposite there warehouse and see the vans parked up there and on the road all ford transit diesels

[zesty]

All our Amazon vans round here are diesel, I’ve got a mate who delivers for Amazon, he’s in the usual diesel transit.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

All our Amazon vans round here are diesel, I’ve got a mate who delivers for Amazon, he’s in the usual diesel transit.

Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

I had to attend a funeral last month on 23rd November. It took me nearly an hour to travel 8 miles because the snow was all over the place. Went by 3 new EV buses which had broken down because they had run out of charge. The bus drivers have been told not to put the heater on because it runs down the batteries, they are all wearing hats, scarfs and gloves when driving them in the winter.
I don't see it as the future, I see it traveling back into the past. 🤔

[Perfect Windows]

A third of DPD's fleet is BEV and Amazon spent £300m on BEVs but no couriers are using them. Odd again.

https://logistics.org.uk/green-mile-homepage/news-features/17-05-2024/dpd-uk-increases-last-mile-deliveries-with-electri



I'm going to leave this thread till someone asks a sensible question or makes a comment based in reality.

Till then, fill your boots with your imaginary stats and experience.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

A third of DPD's fleet is BEV and Amazon spent £300m on BEVs but no couriers are using them. Odd again.

https://logistics.org.uk/green-mile-homepage/news-features/17-05-2024/dpd-uk-increases-last-mile-deliveries-with-electri



I'm going to leave this thread till someone asks a sensible question or makes a comment based in reality.

Till then, fill your boots with your imaginary stats and experience.

That's because they are being forced into it Vincent. If you can't appreciate that then that's on you! You're potentially reading what you want to hear. There's a reason that you can buy one so cheap and it's NOT because you are in possession of superior knowledge and can somehow see something us idiots can't.
I note that you still haven't actually bought one? You appear to imply that it's a no brainer and here we are 7 months down the line!🤔 That tells me there is a confidence issue. Just buy one, end of. I'm friends with quite a few tradesmen, from sole traders to multi-million construction company and none of them have a single EV. And trust me, some of these guys are way more clever than you!😉

From previous post -

"The Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate is a law in the UK that requires car manufacturers to sell a rising percentage of zero emission vehicles (ZEVs) each year."
"The mandate's goals are to:
Phase out sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030
Achieve 100% zero emission van sales by 2035"

Everyone has an agenda- especially at this level! The ZEV mandate increases from 10% in '24 to 16% in 2025 so there will be a bigger 'push' from those with an interest next year!

[Perfect Windows]

That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.

Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.

Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.

Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?

Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.

Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.

Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.

Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?

Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.

I suggest you know exactly what's going on, you're just too puffed up and stubborn to consider any other prospect than what's occurring in your closed, arrogant mind. Your immaturity, in failing to interact with differing opinions in an adult, grown up manner, without throwing your teddy out of the pram is, quite franky, astonishing! But funny, blocking a person because you don't want to hear a different point of view- how old are you?
Now, are you bowing out or not? The fact you couldn't resist jumping back in says my statement must hold some degree of credibility..... You know, as you don't suffer fools an' all that!

Anyhow, back to the point.

So, they are 'being' forced into it. Meaning it's a gradual process under way (zev mandate, as mentioned earlier), present tense, not completed. Conclusion, obvious to every other person on the planet.... They're not running 100% EV.

Correct, not a single operator in my area uses EV vans- fact. They never will either unless the technology develops. Our nearest DPD depot is approximately 70 miles away. Nor do Evri for that matter, and they are all local drivers, contracted out, but zero EV vans used.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.

Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.

Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.

Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?

Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.

You mean to say you are ramming EVs down our throats and you don't even own nor drive one? Away you go and play with your diesel van and give us peace. Come back when you have bought and drive one because you have no Experience at this rate we will all block you!

[AuRavelling79]

That's because they are being forced into it Vincent.

Same here, not a single EV used accros all courier companies where I live.

Which of those lies is it? Can't be both.

Not a single courier is using them but they are using them because they are being forced to?

Blocked. Can't be bothered with your nonsense.

You mean to say you are ramming EVs down our throats and you don't even own nor drive one? Away you go and play with your diesel van and give us peace. Come back when you have bought and drive one because you have no Experience at this rate we will all block you!

Last warning Scottish.

Don't come on here as a Johnny come lately with your off the wall and now abusive posting

Amazon Avonmouth has a massive depot near me and has loads of electric vans. Diesels too of course.

And Soupy (Arnold Palmer) runs a fleet of both.

Stupid either/or extreme views are just that. Stupid.

[AuRavelling79]

And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.

If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it ...

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.

If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it ...

I'm not being abusive, I thought he had an electric van. Sorry for any offence but I like views from folk with experience.

[AuRavelling79]

And the warning on abusive posting applies to everyone.

If the cap fits and you are seen wearing it ...

I'm not being abusive, I thought he had an electric van. Sorry for any offence but I like views from folk with experience.

It looked abusive to me.

Perfect Windows (Vin) might not be everyone's cup of tea but he has brought a wealth of good window cleaning experience and advice to this forum and I believe he will research meticulously before making a good decision for his business.

If anyone posts spurious comments for or against electric vehicles then expect to be challenged.

But civilly.

[Stoots]

I have a view on EVs - utter poop

[AuRavelling79]

I have a view on EVs - utter poop

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