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Smudger

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2024, 01:13:22 pm »
Yrs I have a charger or 2 like that - if the battery get pancaked then its a complete weekend to get anywhere near full power
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

liphook

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2024, 01:34:07 pm »
Yrs I have a charger or 2 like that - if the battery get pancaked then its a complete weekend to get anywhere near full power

Battery was brand new, so not sure how much charge was in it to start with.

liphook

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2024, 01:35:30 pm »
Yeah it could be.

Your charger is very small by the looks of it. 1amp?

Someone else like spruce will be able to tell you exactly, but I think it could take a good 24 plus hours to fully charge at that rate.

A lot of chargers are 4 or 5 amp for example, which is 5 times more power than your charger has.

Any Recommendations on a better charger to do the job quicker?

dd

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2024, 04:29:03 pm »
Ctek MS 5.0
It will make your battery last longer. I once reversed the polarity on mine with no harm done. Also through a bizarre accident it once spent overnight in a bucket of water and still works.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2024, 04:33:25 pm »
Ctek MS 5.0
It will make your battery last longer. I once reversed the polarity on mine with no harm done. Also through a bizarre accident it once spent overnight in a bucket of water and still works.
I think he might need the mxs7 or 10 with his 130amp battery?

dd

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2024, 04:58:34 pm »
I have two 85A batteries linked together (in effect 170A) and it works well. I do charge every day but the charge time is certainly not excessive. They are always fully charged by the morning, if I check van before I go to bed they are often charged by then.

Jonny 87

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2024, 05:27:07 pm »
Yeo I’d recommend a ctek mxs 5.0 or higher.

7.0 is perfect really.

They aren’t cheap, but they last forever it seems, and really help prolong battery life. 
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Spruce

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2024, 05:32:07 pm »
I have two 85A batteries linked together (in effect 170A) and it works well. I do charge every day but the charge time is certainly not excessive. They are always fully charged by the morning, if I check van before I go to bed they are often charged by then.

By charging every day, you are basically just putting back what you took out of the battery that day.

If those batteries are low on charge, then you need something bigger. Numax quote a 10amp for up to 135amp and a 20amp for anything bigger.

The slower you recharge a leisure battery within reason, the better for the battery. Numax suggest a maximum charge rate not exceeding 10% of the batteries' capacity. I'm not sure how you would charge a 20 amp battery, as the 10% rule flies out of the window.
Many years ago, my son put a 10 starter battery charger on his motorbike battery, and it destroyed it, according to him.

Running an electric hose reel does put an extra burden on the battery. If you clean 15 houses a day and fully rewind your hose reel 15 times, then expect to draw between 8 and 10 amps a day. The main impact an electric hose reel has on the leisure battery is that spike of high amperage current the battery undergoes when the electric motor initially starts up. It's like a direct short. Leisure batteries don't do well with that.
I have always recommended a good quality combo battery. It's a good in-between battery as it can be used as a leisure battery and also a starter battery. It was designed around the caravan motor movers market. But these batteries aren't good starter batteries and aren't good leisure batteries either. Generally, if looked after, you can expect 3+ years from them, period.
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Simon Trapani

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2024, 05:39:19 pm »
I think i bought 130amp agm’s for my vans a few years back. I thought there was something in the instructions of the mxs5 charger that made me upgrade to the mxs7. I’ve just tried to dig out the instructions but I can’t find them. They’re on the website though but i still can’t find the bit that suggested to me i would be better off with the mxs 7 apart from it being quicker🙄Maybe i dreamt it🤷‍♂️🫤

liphook

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2024, 06:42:41 pm »
I think i bought 130amp agm’s for my vans a few years back. I thought there was something in the instructions of the mxs5 charger that made me upgrade to the mxs7. I’ve just tried to dig out the instructions but I can’t find them. They’re on the website though but i still can’t find the bit that suggested to me i would be better off with the mxs 7 apart from it being quicker🙄Maybe i dreamt it🤷‍♂️🫤

I have bit the bullet and bought the mxs7.

dd

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2024, 06:42:58 pm »
I have two 85A batteries linked together (in effect 170A) and it works well. I do charge every day but the charge time is certainly not excessive. They are always fully charged by the morning, if I check van before I go to bed they are often charged by then.

By charging every day, you are basically just putting back what you took out of the battery that day.

If those batteries are low on charge, then you need something bigger. Numax quote a 10amp for up to 135amp and a 20amp for anything bigger.

The slower you recharge a leisure battery within reason, the better for the battery. Numax suggest a maximum charge rate not exceeding 10% of the batteries' capacity. I'm not sure how you would charge a 20 amp battery, as the 10% rule flies out of the window.
Many years ago, my son put a 10 starter battery charger on his motorbike battery, and it destroyed it, according to him.

Running an electric hose reel does put an extra burden on the battery. If you clean 15 houses a day and fully rewind your hose reel 15 times, then expect to draw between 8 and 10 amps a day. The main impact an electric hose reel has on the leisure battery is that spike of high amperage current the battery undergoes when the electric motor initially starts up. It's like a direct short. Leisure batteries don't do well with that.
I have always recommended a good quality combo battery. It's a good in-between battery as it can be used as a leisure battery and also a starter battery. It was designed around the caravan motor movers market. But these batteries aren't good starter batteries and aren't good leisure batteries either. Generally, if looked after, you can expect 3+ years from them, period.
Who said anything about a 20A battery?

Simon Trapani

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2024, 07:34:43 pm »
Nobody. Spruce’s just saying about the rule of thumb no more than 10% charge rate I think. Kinda thinking out loud.

Don’t question Spruce. Just take his advice!😄

Spruce

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2024, 06:49:29 am »
Nobody. Spruce’s just saying about the rule of thumb no more than 10% charge rate I think. Kinda thinking out loud.

Don’t question Spruce. Just take his advice!😄

I was just thinking of the Numax advice regarding what charger is needed for what size battery, as you pointed out Simon.
It was totally irrelevant to the threads though. 😂
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

dazmond

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2024, 08:28:07 am »
You want a 20amp charger if you have 2 batteries to run your system
price higher/work harder!

dd

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2024, 11:16:54 am »
You want a 20amp charger if you have 2 batteries to run your system
Usually takes 4-10 hours to charge (depends on work day). Had current batteries 2 years and would expect them to last a few more. The slower you charge them the better is my understanding.

Stoots

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Re: Battery question
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2024, 02:07:08 pm »
For years I bought cheap leisure battery's I think they are class C. About 80 quid or so.

I was replacing them every year.

Last time out I bought a good un..200 quidder... I've had it 22 months so far. Hopefully it will last a bit longer and will be value for money.