[Spruce]

I know a window cleaner who had Covid  3 years or so ago and has not been able to work since due to chronic fatigue. He now claims benefits as result, he is 62. (He got it before the vaccine was available)

For anyone who thinks they have had adverse effects from the vaccine there will be many more who suffered worse from Covid.

A woman in her 40's who was in my son's Tai Chi class refused the vaccine and died about 18 month's ago from Covid (shortly after contracting it).

Both these individuals seemed in otherwise good health.

Personally I have had 3 vaccinations but am not planning on having anymore.

My daughter is in the same boat with long COVID. However the long COVID clinic told her there is no such think as long COVID and marched them out of his office, telling her that she has chronic fatigue.

She caught it at the hospital she worked for before COVID was even being recognised as an issue.

There does seem to be a government directive denying the existence of long COVID. She says that cfs is getting more nhs medical support, so she is going down that route.

We have had all our COVID jabs and we have managed to dodge COVID as far as we know. The first cold I've had was last month when we were on holiday in the Canaries.

We have discussed whether to take the next vaccine or not, but haven't made a decision one way or another yet.

[Spruce]

Yes it has to be said that since the covid vaccines a lot of people have died far to young, is this because they've had the vaccine?

I can't answer that but I have not had one jab and never will, I don't trust a vaccine that never when through the proper trials and was available a couple of months after covid was announced

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I just don't trust our so called government

I honestly would have hated having to make the calls when COVID first kicked off, no matter what people think of Boris and his advisers.

At least Britain didn't pursue the full course of crowd immunity like another European country did which resulted in the deaths of lots of old people, especially those in care homes.

It was bad enough when a parliament member said this was a good virus as the country needed to lose a lot of it's old age pensioner population. He was never sanctioned for his remark. Maybe this reflected government feelings at the time?

[Splash & dash]

I know a window cleaner who had Covid  3 years or so ago and has not been able to work since due to chronic fatigue. He now claims benefits as result, he is 62. (He got it before the vaccine was available)

For anyone who thinks they have had adverse effects from the vaccine there will be many more who suffered worse from Covid.

A woman in her 40's who was in my son's Tai Chi class refused the vaccine and died about 18 month's ago from Covid (shortly after contracting it).

Both these individuals seemed in otherwise good health.

Personally I have had 3 vaccinations but am not planning on having anymore.

Ime not against vaccines and do think that millions of lives have been saved by ones having the Covid jabs , BUT we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine could it cause major health issues , look at  phelidemide that was given to pregnant women in the 60s , and the results from that .

[DJW]

You don’t know the long term effects from vaping either. Hasn’t put people off. Seems loads of people want to inject their skin with tattoo ink, fill their faces with Botox, pump their arses with silicone, stick bags inside their breasts, fit a gastric band, sniff powder up their nostrils, inject themselves with steroids, soak their livers in alcohol, but a vaccine that might save their stupid little lives? Ooh no way!

[Small but perfectley formed]

 Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

[zesty]

You don’t know the long term effects from vaping either. Hasn’t put people off. Seems loads of people want to inject their skin with tattoo ink, fill their faces with Botox, pump their arses with silicone, stick bags inside their breasts, fit a gastric band, sniff powder up their nostrils, inject themselves with steroids, soak their livers in alcohol, but a vaccine that might save their stupid little lives? Ooh no way!

I haven’t done one of those things in my life.

100% glad I never took a brand new mRNA vaccine which in the past has never made it past trials due to so many issues in animal testing .

It was a brand new vaccine technology, never used before. No thanks.


It was also a pretty useless vaccine, it didn’t stop transmission, it didn’t reduce symotoms by any significant margin. It didn’t stop deaths. It didn’t stop the virus.

You’ve only got to look and research. Dr John Campbell is a good place to start.

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You don’t know the long term effects from vaping either. Hasn’t put people off. Seems loads of people want to inject their skin with tattoo ink, fill their faces with Botox, pump their arses with silicone, stick bags inside their breasts, fit a gastric band, sniff powder up their nostrils, inject themselves with steroids, soak their livers in alcohol, but a vaccine that might save their stupid little lives? Ooh no way!

I haven’t done one of those things in my life.

100% glad I never took a brand new mRNA vaccine which in the past has never made it past trials due to so many issues in animal testing .

It was a brand new vaccine technology, never used before. No thanks.


It was also a pretty useless vaccine, it didn’t stop transmission, it didn’t reduce symotoms by any significant margin. It didn’t stop deaths. It didn’t stop the virus.

You’ve only got to look and research. Dr John Campbell is a good place to start.

I think it did  drastically reduce the symptoms for millions of people , less died , I had Covid before the vaccine and was really ill , have had it since the vaccine ant it was no ware near as bad

[DJW]

Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened? What do you think halted the pandemic around the world? Any ideas?

[zesty]

Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

[zesty]

Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

[AuRavelling79]

Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.

[AuRavelling79]

Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

Wikipedia has an article with sources about him ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

[zesty]

Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.

Watch the many many evidence based videos John Campbell has put out. He has been interviewed by many on the media.

[zesty]

Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

Wikipedia has an article with sources about him ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Watch, then criticise.

[DJW]

Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

I’d love to know how you were diagnosed with both variants? Do it yourself? It’s a fact some people were affected badly and lost their lives whilst others could shake it off as a cold. Customers of mine died from covid, as far as I’m aware none died of the vaccine.

[zesty]

https://youtu.be/iyo2UNQcdpQ?si=fWbMIpYmct6dqR_2

There  are countless videos worth watching.

If you had the Jab and were fine, great.

I’ve had all other vaccines, and my kids have had all their routine jabs.

I am not, however, taking an experimental jab with no long term data.

I also trust my wife and her consultant colleagues over a few windows cleaners.

I am absolutely happy with my decision not to take an experimental jab, especially seen as myself, wife and kids all had Covid with absolutely no severe symptoms, therefore making a vaccine for us completely pointless.

[AuRavelling79]

Well Doctor Zesty, how do you explain the massive reduction in Covid deaths around the world right now? Haven’t seen many mass graves around the world or total wipeouts of nursing homes. So what happened?

Because it mutated. It became less severe. EVERYONE knows that.

I had Delta. Just a cold. I also had Omicron, barely a cold.

No vaccines.

Watch Dr John Campbell. You won’t be able to argue against the evidence.

Wikipedia has an article with sources about him ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Watch, then criticise.

I haven't criticised.

However ...

In October 2023, the BBC Radio 4 programme More or Less debunked a video that Campbell had made in September 2023 in which he wrongly claimed that excess deaths were higher among those who had had a COVID-19 vaccine than those who had not; the figures he used in fact showed the opposite.[32] Campbell took down his video after being contacted by the programme, telling them that he was not a statistician.[32]

[Smudger]

Do some research excess deaths in all western countries especially those with high percentage of population that are vaccinated
Countries with low uptake Eastern Europe have normal death rates ( 5 yr Average)
But there’s nothing to see here have a listen to Andrew Brigden MP

Unfortunately people don’t want to know the truth.

And some people want to proclaim things as being 'truth' and 'certainty' when there is scant evidence for what they proclaim.

Watch the many many evidence based videos John Campbell has put out. He has been interviewed by many on the media.

  like this is proof the guy is a "leading authority" - many times no brain numpties are wheeled out just to give a "balanced" opinion

just go back the MMR - total rollocks by a doctor with an agenda to sell single shots and numpty parents listening to that rather than proper medical advice

[AuRavelling79]

And ...

In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2] Others have expressed concern that Campbell's videos have been used by podcaster Jimmy Dore and others to support false claims against the Covid-19 vaccines.[19]

David Gorski
David Henry Gorski is an American surgical oncologist and professor of surgery at Wayne State University School of Medicine.[1] He specializes in breast cancer surgery at the Karmanos Cancer Institute.[2] Gorski is an outspoken skeptic and critic of alternative medicine and the anti-vaccination movement. A prolific blogger, he writes as Orac at Respectful Insolence, and as himself at Science-Based Medicine where he is the managing editor.[3][4][5]

Jimmy Dore
James Patrick Anthony Dore (born July 26, 1965) is an American stand-up comedian, political commentator, conspiracy theorist, podcaster and YouTube personality.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Dore promoted misleading information about the efficacy and safety of vaccines, even though he had been vaccinated.[31][32][33] The anti-parasitic drug ivermectin was promoted on his program as a treatment for COVID-19 although there is no compelling medical evidence to support this.[34]

[zesty]

Suit yourselves 👍🏼