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Bungle

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2023, 05:31:19 pm »
Any update OP?
We look at them, they look through them.

Bungle

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2023, 03:40:05 pm »
Hello
We look at them, they look through them.

Stoots

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2023, 05:13:40 pm »
Ciao, come stai ?

Smudger

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2023, 06:11:48 pm »
Perhaps the custard has him locked up the cellar or buried under the patio  🧐
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

KS Cleaning

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2023, 09:32:34 pm »
Maybe he’s busy composing another reply? ;D

johnny bravo

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2023, 10:22:55 am »
Dirt & Grit can get onto the brush via cleaning the Sills.    Then carry onto the next window

johnny bravo

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2023, 10:24:05 am »
Dirt & Grit can get onto the brush via cleaning the Sills.    Then carry onto the next window

Bungle

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2023, 06:53:18 pm »
 There's an echo in here  ;D
We look at them, they look through them.

jo5hm4n

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2023, 11:33:25 pm »
Customer delayed the home visit.  Will be done tomorrow at 2pm.  I repeat tomorrow 2pm.

Get your popcorn at the ready folks.


Bungle

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2023, 04:35:02 pm »
Customer delayed the home visit.  Will be done tomorrow at 2pm.  I repeat tomorrow 2pm.

Get your popcorn at the ready folks.

My popcorn is still at the ready.
We look at them, they look through them.

AuRavelling79

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2023, 07:50:00 pm »
Customer delayed the home visit.  Will be done tomorrow at 2pm.  I repeat tomorrow 2pm.

Get your popcorn at the ready folks.

My popcorn is still at the ready.

Mine's been eaten.
It's a game of three halves!

jo5hm4n

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2023, 02:22:14 pm »
Ok folks, lets just say things did not go to plan at all.

First of all i couldn't personally attend the property.  I am waiting for a potential operation on my spine and at the moment in alot of pain so i literally can't leave the house most days.  I had to send out a family member who is also part of our business now and knows things inside out so is experienced.

We went there with the sole intention to show the customer our brushes and say look its just not possible to cause scratches from using Gardiners WFP brushes.  That was our agenda.  The customer had their own agenda.  They tag teamed the person i sent out and basically said look.  My husband is a professional window fitter.  He fitted the glass himself and inspected it before putting it on he does this full time so deals with glass every day.  He said the scratches were 100% not there when he fitted them and were not there the week before we cleaned the windows.  Customer is saying that we used a Gardiners plastic scraper to get rid of bird mess.  I asked my employee who is one of my most trusted employees if this is correct and he said no she is lying there was nothing on the glass just the usual 4 weekly dirt buildup.

So its her word vs his word.  Customer got very irate when we basically said look it wasn't us, these brushes are designed for the window cleaning industry and cannot cause scratches.  After my family member showed him cleaning a window, customer just was not having it.

They were adamant it was us end of.  They started getting loud and aggressive and said right i want your insurance details end of, if you don't sort this out im going to post negative google and facebook reviews, report you to trading standards and tell your insurance provider it was you who did it so your premiums will likely go up anyway and if we see you posted on facebook in the local area we will leave negative comments.  They went full balls to the wall psycho mode on my family member who had to leave asap.

My family member came back genuinely upset and said im never doing that again, ever.


I sat for an hour and thought about it.  Do i believe we caused the scratches?  No.  Do i want the hassle of a customer who has spent £400+ with us over the last 2 years reporting me to trading standards, leaving negative reviews on google and facebook and contacting my insurance directly to say we did it?  Hell no. 

I am fortunate enough to be in a position where i have lots of savings, business cash flow is good and finances are good.  I like a simple stress free live as is possible.

I'd much rather fork out and pay for a replacement piece of glass then deal with potential hassle and stress from a customer going psycho mode on us.  We have a good reputation in our area, i dont want to even remotely risk that either.

I did a full 180 and told the customer, i still do not believe we caused the scratches but given all of the circumstances i am willing to pay to replace the glass.  I said, as your husband did it last time can he get me a price from his company to supply and fit the glass and send me the invoice.  She replied and was over the moon and went from psycho biatch mode to friendly customer mode again and said thank you so much.  My husband will not charge you for fitting the glass, he will do it himself for free, he will just get a price from the company to supply the glass.

All in all the glass cost me £113.  It was a wide bedroom pane of glass not a small one, one of those large ones.

So what have i learned from this ordeal?

Not fully sure.  Still dont believe we caused the scratches.  One thing i did learn for myself is that i do not care about principle.  Id much rather pay £100 to get a problem out of my life by clicking my fingers than dealing with the stress, hassle and fallout from a nutter psycho customer starting a witch hunt to damage our company reputation.  If i wasn't in a good financial position i may think differently about this.

Also final closing note.  10 years cleaning windows and this is the first time we have had to payout for damage.  £100 isn't bad for 10 years i would say.

Lets just hope it doesn't happen anytime soon  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hope you enjoyed folks.  My stress levels were sky high this time a week ago, now its done and dealt with i couldn't care less and all is well in the world again, well all is well apart from my ongoing health issues!  What can ya do though!





Splash & dash

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2023, 03:32:19 pm »
Ok folks, lets just say things did not go to plan at all.

First of all i couldn't personally attend the property.  I am waiting for a potential operation on my spine and at the moment in alot of pain so i literally can't leave the house most days.  I had to send out a family member who is also part of our business now and knows things inside out so is experienced.

We went there with the sole intention to show the customer our brushes and say look its just not possible to cause scratches from using Gardiners WFP brushes.  That was our agenda.  The customer had their own agenda.  They tag teamed the person i sent out and basically said look.  My husband is a professional window fitter.  He fitted the glass himself and inspected it before putting it on he does this full time so deals with glass every day.  He said the scratches were 100% not there when he fitted them and were not there the week before we cleaned the windows.  Customer is saying that we used a Gardiners plastic scraper to get rid of bird mess.  I asked my employee who is one of my most trusted employees if this is correct and he said no she is lying there was nothing on the glass just the usual 4 weekly dirt buildup.

So its her word vs his word.  Customer got very irate when we basically said look it wasn't us, these brushes are designed for the window cleaning industry and cannot cause scratches.  After my family member showed him cleaning a window, customer just was not having it.

They were adamant it was us end of.  They started getting loud and aggressive and said right i want your insurance details end of, if you don't sort this out im going to post negative google and facebook reviews, report you to trading standards and tell your insurance provider it was you who did it so your premiums will likely go up anyway and if we see you posted on facebook in the local area we will leave negative comments.  They went full balls to the wall psycho mode on my family member who had to leave asap.

My family member came back genuinely upset and said im never doing that again, ever.


I sat for an hour and thought about it.  Do i believe we caused the scratches?  No.  Do i want the hassle of a customer who has spent £400+ with us over the last 2 years reporting me to trading standards, leaving negative reviews on google and facebook and contacting my insurance directly to say we did it?  Hell no. 

I am fortunate enough to be in a position where i have lots of savings, business cash flow is good and finances are good.  I like a simple stress free live as is possible.

I'd much rather fork out and pay for a replacement piece of glass then deal with potential hassle and stress from a customer going psycho mode on us.  We have a good reputation in our area, i dont want to even remotely risk that either.

I did a full 180 and told the customer, i still do not believe we caused the scratches but given all of the circumstances i am willing to pay to replace the glass.  I said, as your husband did it last time can he get me a price from his company to supply and fit the glass and send me the invoice.  She replied and was over the moon and went from psycho biatch mode to friendly customer mode again and said thank you so much.  My husband will not charge you for fitting the glass, he will do it himself for free, he will just get a price from the company to supply the glass.

All in all the glass cost me £113.  It was a wide bedroom pane of glass not a small one, one of those large ones.

So what have i learned from this ordeal?

Not fully sure.  Still dont believe we caused the scratches.  One thing i did learn for myself is that i do not care about principle.  Id much rather pay £100 to get a problem out of my life by clicking my fingers than dealing with the stress, hassle and fallout from a nutter psycho customer starting a witch hunt to damage our company reputation.  If i wasn't in a good financial position i may think differently about this.

Also final closing note.  10 years cleaning windows and this is the first time we have had to payout for damage.  £100 isn't bad for 10 years i would say.

Lets just hope it doesn't happen anytime soon  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hope you enjoyed folks.  My stress levels were sky high this time a week ago, now its done and dealt with i couldn't care less and all is well in the world again, well all is well apart from my ongoing health issues!  What can ya do though!


I totally agree with your reasoning , I think I would have given them my insurance details and let them argue it with the insurance company , then if they don’t pay out they can argue with them not me . I got accused of scratching a patio door glass a few years ago I know 100% I didn’t do it and told the customer that but she was going nuts so in the end I paid for it £130 and  then explained I would not continue working for her as ime not going to be accused for damage I have not caused and end up having to pay for it again , at the time my insurance did not cover the glass being worked on but now we are covered .But again if you claim off the insurance my excess is £250 so would have to pay that anyway and then guessing the premiums will go up so  it’s probably cheaper to just pay out . Now we point out damage and scratches to customers and won’t clean a window that’s damaged until the customer seen it and agrees it’s scratched before we touched it , like you I have only been had like this once in 24 years so not to bad .

Smudger

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2023, 03:57:29 pm »
Great post - I am still digesting it but will in the short term make 1 observation and ask 1 question...

From the customers reaction I would say they are a genuine claim - to be honest they had nothing to gain - only hassle - trusted employee or no, you cant always take there word. (downside of employee's)

Ask Alex G and get a written statement his brushes will noe scratch the glass ... When you get that you can come from the angle you cant possibly have scratched the glass - i don't think you will get one - Yes in normal operation its highly unlikely - but it can and does happen
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Stoots

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2023, 04:32:30 pm »
b******s to that once they started shouting and being aggressive it would be game over from me. I would have blocked them and their family on facebook,  phone numbers and sucked up the google review.

I know we dont see it the same, your way was definitely the right professional response though no doubt.

Bungle

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2023, 04:52:58 pm »
Thanks for the update Josh 👍. One thing to question is how did the crusty know there was a scraper on the end of the pole? I'm not trying to doubt your employee but.....

I hope your back gets better soon!

On a side note has anyone else noticed that some new panes of glass have a sheen affect between the panes? I've seen it a lot on especially large patio windows. Id be asking for the glass to be replaced if it was mine, but customers don't spot things like we do a lot of the time.
We look at them, they look through them.

Splash & dash

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2023, 05:30:51 pm »
Thanks for the update Josh 👍. One thing to question is how did the crusty know there was a scraper on the end of the pole? I'm not trying to doubt your employee but.....

I hope your back gets better soon!

On a side note has anyone else noticed that some new panes of glass have a sheen affect between the panes? I've seen it a lot on especially large patio windows. Id be asking for the glass to be replaced if it was mine, but customers don't spot things like we do a lot of the time.


I think that Sheen is the heat reflective  film that’s put in glass now ?

Smudger

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2023, 12:24:23 am »
+1 for the above post
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Arnold Palmer

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2023, 07:44:10 am »
Nowadays if the customer doesn't go away when we tell them it's highly unlikely that we caused the damage we pass it on to the insurance.

Insurance companies are better at arguing than I am + they don't get emotional.

Smudger

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Re: How do you deal with this?
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2023, 08:52:06 am »
How many times are you getting this soupy?
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience