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Smudger

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2023, 12:15:36 am »
Again people are comparing apples with pears...

Splash has a lot of commercial - he also runs 3 out of a van - so maybe not that great ??

1 man 1 van has proved (IME) to be the best in turnover per man per day 2 men only ever achieve 75% than a single operator on multi site  work (ie. Domestics) - commercial is a least double if not slightly more...

Personally the windows are ok - but they are a base line, a good backup for the winter - roof cleaning, brick cleaning, commercial gutters payout 4,5,6  fold than licking glass -its just not regular repeatable

Nice to see you posting Lee

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2023, 07:23:58 am »
yes you can but it depends on

1.  your mind set
2.  how much money you have to do this including the income from it
3.  how reliant are you on net  income
4  how good is your staff


High-Tower

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2023, 08:08:34 am »
The reason I suggested they were talking poop, is that although lee was giving good advice he couldn’t resist claiming he was the only person in the country doing i. I personally know at least 2 companies in my quite small town doing it, albeit at a smaller scale but OP wasnt asking how to semi-retire on £250k+ a year.
Splash couldn’t resist making it about how much money he can turn over, whilst I’m sure he does earn £1500 a day, it’s not going to me the reality for 99% of other window cleaners and is not what anybody should be planning a long term business off of.

deeege

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2023, 08:43:50 am »
£1500 a day is the new £300 a day now. Love CIU  ;D
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

Splash & dash

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2023, 09:23:05 am »
Again people are comparing apples with pears...

Splash has a lot of commercial - he also runs 3 out of a van - so maybe not that great ??

1 man 1 van has proved (IME) to be the best in turnover per man per day 2 men only ever achieve 75% than a single operator on multi site  work (ie. Domestics) - commercial is a least double if not slightly more...

Personally the windows are ok - but they are a base line, a good backup for the winter - roof cleaning, brick cleaning, commercial gutters payout 4,5,6  fold than licking glass -its just not regular repeatable

Nice to see you posting Lee

Darran


We only run 3 per van on large commercial work , but due to doing commercial every day along with domestic run two per van most of the time , however it is possible to do the figures quoted for domestic  with one per van . It’s not that difficult.

Small but perfectley formed

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2023, 09:54:05 am »
Would love to see the Accounts .
Finding £1500 grand a day commercial now that’s a challenge .
How many houses is £400 a day think your employees must be supermen .
How much do you pay them ?
Spit and polish

NWH

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2023, 09:56:22 am »
£1500 a day is the new £300 a day now. Love CIU  ;D

Have you tried employing on 300 a day good luck with that one you’d struggle and it wouldn’t be worth it if the sun was out everyday so you could work,the same goes if they are out in a van on their own wouldn’t be worth it.
Absolute piece of pee hitting 5-600 on my work with 2 of us in the van nowhere near a full day either most down this way will be looking for 6-750 minimum.
Put it this way if 2 people worked in a very good affluent area 8-4 most days from 1 van and had like I say “decent” work you’d knock 10ks worth of work out like a teenager knocks one off the wrist.
A realistic target if you have the work and
3 vans is a steady 1200 a day with not one van rushing,forget the amount per day that’s the easy bit just the 3 vans will require a “lot” of work to keep everyone busy and the thing is once you get to a certain point you’ll start taking on crap work if you’re not careful just for the numbers.
If I had today all the houses I’d dropped golf’s clubs that had closed etc it would be enough for 1 person over 6 weeks,the above numbers are easy with the right work, if  you have what I call run of the mill domestics and small commercial of course it looks like La La Land.
You could always take it easy have huge days and take time off and have a life eh,just saying lol.

NWH

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2023, 10:07:38 am »
Would love to see the Accounts .
Finding £1500 grand a day commercial now that’s a challenge .
How many houses is £400 a day think your employees must be supermen .

How much do you pay them ?


Depends what work you have doesn’t it this is the thing how’s the wall been built slowly and straight or rushed and ped,if I did that on the my own it wouldn’t be anymore than 5-8 most days Ive wheat and chaffed over the years so much I should get a tractor. I still see guys I know with multiple vans cleaning for peanuts I dropped an 80 outside job because it was out the way with awkward windows ,this guys cleaning it for 35 with 2 of em lol,2 vans out when he should only be in one can’t be making any profit at those prices must be losing how’s he going to justify raising that 45 quid and it was worth more than 80 to begin with lol.

DJW

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2023, 10:23:52 am »
Bit early for alcohol?

AuRavelling79

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2023, 10:36:24 am »
Bit early for alcohol?

Some are still going from the night before...
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֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2023, 11:08:29 am »
Popcorn  time🍿 🍿 😎
Comfortably Numb!

NWH

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2023, 11:41:50 am »
Try running a 2-3 van operation on some of the figures mentioned on here can I start to employ I’m doing 250-300 a day lol,the short answer is no unless you want to slash your income to the point you need capital before you start.
People forget with this job you can’t work everyday due to weather etc,they go out do 2 days then get weathered off for maybe 2 days within the next week so - 600 for that on that  300 a day figure. If it was easy to make this work with window cleaning 10-12 vans would be a tiny business,you need masses of work for 10-12 vans if every van of Lee Pryors was doing 300 a day he would have been meeting with the liquidators years ago.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2023, 01:45:07 pm »
I send my one paye employee out in a 2016 Vivaro. He doesn’t do anything like £300 a day. He works 9-3 as he’s on his own with kids. He used to be full time a year or so back before he separated from his partner. Still never hit those figures though. It’s not ideal but he’s been with me over 7 years now. Still worthwhile though.

Splash & dash

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2023, 01:49:25 pm »
Would love to see the Accounts .
Finding £1500 grand a day commercial now that’s a challenge .
How many houses is £400 a day think your employees must be supermen .
How much do you pay them ?


Ime certainly not posting my accounts on here 😂😂
It’s not 15 grand a day it’s £1,500 per day with two guys on commercial and trust me we can do a lot more than that but again ime not putting figures as the naslayers won’t believe it anyway , I wish we were doing it 5 days a week . What you have to remember is some of us have been doing this job a long time and the high value commercials are accumulated over years of hard work , we pay our staff very well and they also get a very healthy bonus if no complaints and certain targets are met .

Splash & dash

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2023, 01:52:58 pm »
I send my one paye employee out in a 2016 Vivaro. He doesn’t do anything like £300 a day. He works 9-3 as he’s on his own with kids. He used to be full time a year or so back before he separated from his partner. Still never hit those figures though. It’s not ideal but he’s been with me over 7 years now. Still worthwhile though.

How can you afford to employ him and all the associated expenses if he’s not doing that ?. Doesn’t sound a viable situation to me

Simon Trapani

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2023, 01:55:46 pm »
 Well it works for me ;)

KS Cleaning

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2023, 02:23:27 pm »
I send my one paye employee out in a 2016 Vivaro. He doesn’t do anything like £300 a day. He works 9-3 as he’s on his own with kids. He used to be full time a year or so back before he separated from his partner. Still never hit those figures though. It’s not ideal but he’s been with me over 7 years now. Still worthwhile though.

How can you afford to employ him and all the associated expenses if he’s not doing that ?. Doesn’t sound a viable situation to me
I have to agree with this. When you factor in wages, holiday pay, employers NI, employers insurance, van insurance, van repairs, van depreciation, cost of equipment etc etc, I would want an employee out in a van oh his own to be turning over a lot more than £300 per full shift.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2023, 02:45:55 pm »
So would i. It’s no ideal but it’s still worthwhile. He’ll be back full time in a year or two when his youngest is a bit older.

His tax & ni comes out at source. He opts out of pension. There’s no employers ni to pay. He also gets topped up by the government in tax credits or something I think. It’s all legitimate. I might send him to clean fsg’s etc on rainy days. It’s not a zero hours contract.

 We still make a profit else I wouldn’t do it. There are the usual hickups which often makes we wonder if it’s worthwhile. But it is. Not saying I’ve got it nailed because I haven’t but I’ve employed him over 7 years now.

Just saying because some people are scared to employ or poo poo it because they’ve never done it. Or they didn’t give it anything like long enough etc etc.

I’ve been cleaning windows 31 years now. We’re all different but i know what I’m doing. I couldn’t earn some of the figures given on here but i do fine.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2023, 02:47:04 pm »
And i gave up caring what people on here think of me a long time ago lol.

NWH

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Re: Who is semi retired/retired still getting a business income?
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2023, 03:36:06 pm »
If he could work every single day regardless an employee that is 300 a day is not enough to make it viable I’ve done it maybe you’re expectations are a lot lower or you don’t need all the money from the business to survive,I am in that situation.
I’ve just paid another 700 notes employers liability van will be due for insurance again soon just 2 small bills needed to be dealt with that amount to the best part of 2 grand,so 2 grand out + his wages Tax etc need a bit of work to be done before you’d break even again on that month.
There’s nothing worth bothering about long term hitting those numbers you’d go broke.
Get another van out running beside the other one at 400 minimum per van that’s a better start.